Behavior Archives | The Art of Manliness https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/ Men's Interest and Lifestyle Mon, 09 Mar 2026 18:29:57 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 How to Use Negative Thinking to Achieve Positive Goals https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/woop/ Mon, 16 Feb 2026 18:03:25 +0000 https://www.artofmanliness.com/?p=192481 If you’re like a lot of men, you’ve probably set some big goals for yourself this year. Lose twenty pounds. Start a side hustle. Finally read Aristotle. When you set those goals for yourself, you likely felt good. Really good. Setting goals feels awesome. You imagine yourself looking lean in the mirror, seeing that first […]

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If you’re like a lot of men, you’ve probably set some big goals for yourself this year. Lose twenty pounds. Start a side hustle. Finally read Aristotle.

When you set those goals for yourself, you likely felt good. Really good. Setting goals feels awesome. You imagine yourself looking lean in the mirror, seeing that first deposit hit your bank account, or riffing to your friends about Aristotle’s idea of phronesis. You’re riding a high of pure, unadulterated positive vibes.

But then, a week later, you’ve missed a week of workouts, haven’t even bought the URL for your side hustle website, and a brand new, uncracked copy of Nicomachean Ethics sits on your nightstand.

What happened?

Well, you were probably too stinking positive.

According to Dr. Gabriele Oettingen, a professor of psychology at NYU, pure positive visualization can actually backfire on you. When you fantasize about achieving a goal, your brain starts to think you’ve already accomplished it. Your raring-to-go drive dampens, and when obstacles on your path towards achieving the goal come your way, you wilt. You eat the QT taquito instead of sticking to your macros. You scroll YouTube Shorts instead of working on your business. You read The Daily Mail instead of Aristotle.

If you want to actually accomplish your goals this year, you need a dose of realism. You need to marry a portion of positive thinking with a dose of negative thinking.

A framework that Dr. Oettingen developed can help you do that.

It’s called WOOP.

The Power of Mental Contrasting

If you want to move the needle on your goals, you have to stop indulging in what Oettingen calls “free fantasies.” This is when you only think about positive outcomes and the good feelings you’ll experience when you accomplish your goal. As I mentioned above, her research has found that when we only think about the positive, our brains get tricked into thinking we’ve already arrived, and we lose our drive to actually do the brass tacks work to reach the goal.

To fix this, Oettingen pioneered a process called mental contrasting.

The idea is simple. You don’t just visualize yourself on the mountaintop with your fists up in the air, celebrating your success. You also need to visualize the jagged rocks and the steep cliffs you’ll have to climb to get there. You pepper your positive thinking with a vision of the obstacles that could potentially get in the way of achieving your aim.

This creates what psychologists call “mental tension.” By contrasting the future you want with a realistic picture of the landscape you’ll have to traverse to get there, your brain recognizes a gap that needs to be closed. It suddenly realizes, “Oh, I’m not there yet. I better do things to relieve this tension.” The tension is the fuel that mobilizes your energy and prepares you to act and get stuff done.

But identifying the obstacles on the path to your goal is only half the battle. You also need a plan on how you’re going to overcome those hurdles and barriers so you can keep plodding towards your desired outcome. To do that, Oettingen recommends creating an implementation intention. We’ve written about these “automated” actions before. An implementation intention is an “if-then” plan that links a specific situational cue to a predetermined goal-directed response.

Let’s say you decide one of the obstacles you’ll encounter in your goal to lose twenty pounds is “I’ll be tempted to snack on the donuts left every day in the office breakroom.” An implementation intention to overcome this obstacle would look something like: “If I see the donuts in the breakroom, I will immediately return to my desk and start working.”

By doing this, you’ve essentially automated your response to temptation. Instead of standing in front of the box of donuts, dithering about whether you’re going to eat them or not, and telling yourself you’ll “just have half,” you’ve outsourced the decision to a pre-programmed script.

WOOP There It Is: A 4-Step Framework for Achieving Your Goals

To help people put these two concepts — mental contrasting and implementation intentions — into practice, Oettingen developed a simple, four-step framework. It’s called WOOP, and it stands for Wish, Outcome, Obstacle, Plan.

Let’s walk through it:

1. Wish

A “Wish” is something you want to accomplish that is challenging but actually feasible. It’s a goal. It could be something you want to do today, this month, or this year.

Let’s say your wish is to lose twenty pounds by June.

Write that down.

2. Outcome

Now, visualize the best possible result of fulfilling that wish. If you lose those twenty pounds, how will you feel being able to play with your kids without getting winded? Or how would you feel knowing that your glucose and cholesterol levels are in check? Or how would you feel being able to show up to a pool party with a bit more muscle definition? Let yourself feel those positive emotions for a moment.

3. Obstacle

Here is where we pivot from the typical self-help manifesting fluff and start getting real. Ask yourself: What are the things that would hold you back from accomplishing the goal? Is it your tendency to stock your pantry with lots of Chewy Chips Ahoy? Or your tendency to eat a high-calorie meal at lunch sourced entirely from the QT Kitchen? Or maybe you feel like you don’t have enough time to work out?

Identify the biggest potential obstacles. Write those down.

4. Plan

Once you’ve identified the obstacles, it’s time to create an if-then plan for them. In other words, an implementation intention.

The formula is simple: “If [obstacle] occurs, then I will [action to overcome obstacle].”

Let’s use the obstacle of not having enough time for a full workout. Here’s what an implementation intention to overcome that obstacle could look like:

Obstacle: Sometimes I don’t have time for a full workout.

Plan: If I don’t have time for a full workout, then I’ll take a brisk 15-minute ruck around the neighborhood before 8 PM. (Check out our article on other ideas for quick workouts when you’re crunched for time.)

How about your tendency to default to eating QT taquitos and a Big Q soda for lunch?

Obstacle: When pressed for time, I eat lunch at QuikTrip.

Plan: When I go to QT for lunch, I’ll get the cobb salad and a Diet Coke. 

Harness the Power of Negative Thinking

This year, start visualizing negative outcomes with your goals. But then make a plan for how you’re going to prevent those negative outcomes from happening. The WOOP model reminds me a lot of the conversation I had with Kyle Austin Young about probability hacking. The key to reaching your goals, Kyle explained, lies in figuring out the things that will lower your odds of success and then plotting out ways to reduce the impact of those factors to tilt the odds in your favor.

Pick one goal you’ve been struggling with. Spend five minutes working it through the WOOP framework. Identify the snag that always trips you up, and write down your “if-then” script.

And then follow through on it!

Listen to our podcast on probability hacking for even more: 

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25 Ways to Be a Class Act https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/25-ways-to-be-a-class-act/ Mon, 02 Feb 2026 18:40:38 +0000 https://www.artofmanliness.com/?p=192379 When I played football in high school, our head coach had one refrain that he’d hammer into us over and over again: act with class. It meant no trash talk. No showboating. Help the other guy up, even if he just tried to take your head off. Don’t scream at refs. Don’t throw your helmet. […]

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When I played football in high school, our head coach had one refrain that he’d hammer into us over and over again: act with class.

It meant no trash talk. No showboating. Help the other guy up, even if he just tried to take your head off. Don’t scream at refs. Don’t throw your helmet. When you win, act like you’ve been there before; when you lose, don’t sulk and pout.

I’ve tried to carry that refrain with me even after taking off my football pads for the last time. For me, acting with class is a way of moving through your social world with dignity, respect, and a little heartening warmth and charm.

For most of Western history, class was about economics and where you sat in the social hierarchy. Centuries ago, your class was determined by what family you were born into, how much land you owned, or how much armor you could afford for battle.

But beginning in the late 1800s, the word “class” started being used in another way — as a signifier of bearing rather than birth. It was used to describe comportment, especially for athletes and entertainers who carried themselves with skill, decency, and poise. To perform well under pressure, to exude grace, made you a “class act.”

Today, “classy” can describe anyone who evinces magnanimity and self-possession. Someone who’s generous, but not a show-off — decorous but not stilted. A class act is governed by standards rather than moods or incentives; even when circumstances would excuse poor behavior, or a boorish move might gain them advantage, they still do the right and fair thing. Wherever they go, they elevate life a bit. They leave situations better than they found them.  

We like classy people because their steadiness and consistent good graces can be relied upon. They inspire you to live a little better without preaching. Classy fellas make the world a bit more pleasant with their everyday civilities.

Below are 25 of those small courtesies that you can practice to be known as a classy SOB.

1. Say hello first

A classy fella doesn’t wait to be acknowledged. He initiates eye contact. He gives a warm “hello” to the neighbor, the cashier, or the guy at the gym he sees every morning. It’s a small thing that can brighten people’s day.

2. Use people’s names — and remember them

As ol’ Uncle Carnegie said, “a person’s name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.” So regularly use people’s names. Be natural about it. You don’t have to say it after every sentence. That just comes off as forced.

When you meet someone new, make a point of remembering their name. When you see the person again, use it (“Hey, Chip! Great to see you!”), and you’ll leave them thinking, “Man, what a classy guy!”

3. Hold the door open for the person behind you

Holding the door open used to be a chivalrous gesture reserved for men to offer women. Now it’s a way for one human to acknowledge the presence and reality of another. It’s a way of saying, “I see you, fellow person; we share in the collective struggle of existence; and I’m going to make life a tiny bit easier for you.”

4. Let people merge in traffic

A classy SOB doesn’t treat driving like a zero-sum moral contest. He waves people into a busy traffic line. He understands that getting home 12 seconds earlier is not a victory worth defending.

5. Write handwritten thank-you notes

We’re big proponents of the handwritten thank-you note here at AoM, and in this day and age, when most communication is conducted digitally, a handwritten thank-you note really sets you apart as a class act. Whether someone gives you a gift or you just appreciate some small gesture, let them know with paper and pen.

You don’t need to be verbose with your thank-you notes. Two or three sincere sentences will do the job.

6. Don’t bad-mouth people behind their backs

Trashing people when they’re not around is easy, and it might get you some kudos from your peers; who doesn’t like to hear salacious rumors about others? But it’s also how you earn a reputation as someone who can’t be trusted. Everyone knows that if you bad-mouth some other person, you’ll probably do the same to them when they’re not around.

If you wouldn’t say it to someone’s face, don’t say it when they’re not there.

7. Compliment people behind their backs

This is the inverse of the above rule and an underratedly classy move.

When you say something kind about someone who isn’t there — and especially when there’s no strategic reason to do so — it enhances that compliment. It creates goodwill that often travels back amplified to the person you praised. And to the people who heard that third-party compliment, you seem like the kind of guy who sees and dwells on the good in others and not some two-faced, backbiting grumbletonian. Class act!

8. Pick up trash that isn’t yours

A classy gent leaves whatever environment he finds himself in better than he found it. One way to do that is by picking up trash. If you see it at the park, in your neighborhood, or in the breakroom, throw it away — even if it isn’t yours.

9. Dress appropriately

You don’t have to dress like Fred Astaire 24/7 to be a classy gent. In fact, there are plenty of stylish fops who are completely classless boobs.

But a classy guy dresses appropriately for the situation he’s in. A funeral isn’t the place for a t-shirt. A wedding isn’t the time to test the level of casualness you can get away with. Showing up appropriately dressed is a way of saying, “I recognize the significance of this occasion, and I want to add to it.”

10. Be on time

Tardiness is a form of thievery, as it steals other people’s time. Being on time communicates that you value other people’s schedules as much as your own.

There is an exception to this rule; when it comes to a dinner party, arriving early is the unclassy thing to do and being a few minutes late the classy — it gives the host a little buffer in finishing their preparations.

11. Be a generous conversationalist 

A classy SOB doesn’t treat every exchange like an opportunity to bask in the spotlight. He isn’t always looking for a way to turn the conversation back to him. Instead, he asks questions, listens intently, and adds commentary judiciously. He gives other people the chance to open up and shine. 

12. Return things in better condition than you received them

If you borrow some tools from a friend, bring them back cleaned and sharpened. If you borrowed a truck to move something for your mom, return it with a full tank of gas. If something breaks, even if it was an accident, pay for or procure a replacement.

13. Say “excuse me” and “sorry” without qualifiers

If you bump into someone, say, “excuse me.” If you mess up, say “sorry” with no “buts.”

14. Tip generously (within reason)

There’s a lot of unnecessary solicitation of tips these days, but when a service calls for it, and someone does a genuinely good job, harness your inner Frank Sinatra and duke ‘em. 

You don’t have to be reckless, but err on the side of generosity when you can. It’s one of the simplest ways to practice everyday magnanimity.

15. Put your phone away during conversations

Nothing says “you’re not worth my attention” like glancing at a screen while interacting with another human being. A classy SOB keeps his phone in his pocket when he’s with someone in the flesh. He understands that undivided attention is a form of respect — and true caring.

16. Keep your word — even on small things

If you say you’ll call, call. If you say you’ll show up, show up. If you say you’ll handle it, handle it.

17. Don’t overshare

Class includes a sense of discretion.

Not every thought needs to be aired. Not every personal struggle needs to be psychoanalyzed publicly. Don’t make others cringe because you feel the need for catharsis or are hunting for social media likes.

18. Give credit freely

If someone helped, say so. If an idea wasn’t yours, acknowledge it.

Classy people aren’t afraid of diminishing their own glow by letting others shine. In fact, giving people the credit they deserve lends you a greater luster.

19. Act with dignity when things don’t go your way

Anyone can be gracious when life is going their way. The classy SOB keeps his composure when it isn’t.

No sulking. No public tantrums.

You gotta learn how to lose and “never breathe a word about your loss.”

20. Give people an out

A classy person doesn’t corner others socially. If someone’s late, flustered, or clearly wants to leave a conversation or decline an invitation, he offers them a graceful exit rather than putting them on the spot. He lets people save face. Mercy is a form of manners.

21. Acknowledge service workers as people, not automatons

A lot of service workers spend their workdays being instrumentalized — ignored or treated like machines. The classy SOB doesn’t do that. He goes out of his way to acknowledge the humanity of the people who make everyday life function — cashiers, customer service reps, janitors, bus drivers, delivery people, waiters, garbage men, etc.

Don’t fiddle with your phone while you interact with them. Don’t berate them.

Make eye contact. Give them a warm “How’s it going?” Say “thank you.” Easy stuff.

22. Keep your complaints private and proportionate

If someone does something that upsets a class act, he takes care of it privately and keeps his complaint proportionate.

A classy man doesn’t gripe loudly in public or turn every minor inconvenience into a moral crusade. He handles issues calmly, directly, and without an audience.

Kid not getting playing time on the basketball team? Have a private conversation with the coach instead of airing your grievance in the parent group chat.

Your boss snub you? Set up a meeting with him. Don’t blast him on a Slack channel.

23. Don’t correct people unnecessarily

If someone gets a minor fact wrong, mispronounces a word, or tells a story imperfectly — and the mistake doesn’t matter — a classy guy lets it go. He understands that being right is often less important than keeping the interaction humane and preserving the person’s confidence and dignity.

Correction is sometimes necessary. But most of the time, when we have the urge to do it, it’s just ego and the desire to get one-up on another.

24. Don’t brag

A class act is secure in his own worth and doesn’t feel the need to boast — either overtly, or more subtly in the form of namedropping and humble bragging. He knows it’s off-putting, and he doesn’t wish to induce the noxious feeling of envy in others.

25. Act like a “host” wherever you go

For a classy gent, being a host isn’t limited to those times you initiate and invite others to a social event; it’s a mindset you bring to every place and interaction.

In thinking of yourself in the role of perennial host, your focus is always on making other people feel welcome and “at home” (even when you’re out and about). Your disposition and behavior says, “put up your feet and relax”; you seek to immediately make those you meet feel taken care of and at ease.

As a host, you take the lead in initiating conversation, and picking it up when it lags. You introduce people and help them find their footing. You ensure that others are having a good time and seek to make them comfortable — whether that’s getting them a drink or choosing a conversational topic that makes them feel good to talk about.

A class act becomes people’s atmospheric getaway and carries hospitality with him wherever he goes.

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27 Things You Should Give Up This Year https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/27-things-to-give-up-this-year/ Mon, 05 Jan 2026 11:28:34 +0000 https://www.artofmanliness.com/?p=192172 It’s a new year, which means people everywhere are making resolutions about what they’re going to add to their lives. More exercise. New routines. A fresh system that will finally get everything they’ve got going on dialed in. There’s nothing wrong with trying to add good things to your life. But there’s another, often more […]

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It’s a new year, which means people everywhere are making resolutions about what they’re going to add to their lives. More exercise. New routines. A fresh system that will finally get everything they’ve got going on dialed in.

There’s nothing wrong with trying to add good things to your life. But there’s another, often more effective way to improve it: subtraction. Instead of asking, What should I start doing this year? ask, What should I stop doing?

Nassim Taleb calls this approach via negativa. It’s about improving your life by removing the things that diminish it. In many cases, giving something up delivers faster, more noticeable gains than adding something new ever could.

If you’re looking for some ideas of things to give up in the new year, we’ve got 27 suggestions below, along with plenty of resources to help you take those ideas and put them into action.

1. Keeping up with the news

Think about all the news stories you’ve kept up with in the last ten years — the wars, disasters, elections, and so on. How much did those events affect your life, and how much were you able to influence them by being informed? Chances are, the answer is close to zero on both counts. Staying a little abreast of news is important for being a sound citizen, but you can drop about 95% of its consumption without hurting yourself or society. Your life will in fact improve without this stress-inducing, time-sucking, almost entirely pointless distraction.  

2. Engaging in negative self-talk

You wouldn’t let a friend talk to you the way you sometimes talk to yourself. While it might feel like your inner critic is helping you improve, that negative inner monologue is making you more anxious, more depressed, and more likely to flub a performance. Drop the negative self-talk this year, and you’ll free up the energy needed to navigate life more resiliently and adeptly.

3. Looking at your phone right when you wake up

Rolling over and grabbing your phone first thing hands the steering wheel of your day to whoever emailed, posted, or tweeted overnight. You start the morning reactive, not proactive, and that sets the tone for the rest of the day. Use a real alarm clock to wake up and wait thirty minutes before you check your phone, allowing your brain to boot up on its own terms.

4. Consuming caloric drinks

What a colossal waste of calories caloric beverages are. They simply don’t taste that great (especially if we’re talking about soda), and have little to no nutritional value. If you want a treat, at least consume something you can chew! Switching to nothing but diet drinks and water is the very easiest way to lose weight; people can often drop significant poundage and improve their all-around health profile just by making this move.

5. Mindlessly scrolling your phone

We’ve all been there. You’re bored, so you pick up your phone and start scrolling through your various apps. “Just five minutes,” you tell yourself. But five minutes turns into thirty, and you don’t even remember the content that flicked across your screen during that time. And to make matters worse, instead of feeling refreshed and invigorated after that scrolling-filled brain break, you feel more stupefied. What a waste! Break your smartphone habit this year, and you’ll slowly start to feel your brain come back to life.

6. “Shoulding” on yourself

Constantly telling yourself what you should do is like living your life by someone else’s checklist — a way of avoiding real choices and accountability. When your goals are driven by what you think others expect from you rather than what you genuinely want, you give up a bit of your personal power and head down a path paved with resentment, guilt, and frustration. This year, stop shoulding all over yourself and start making decisions because you choose them, not because you feel obligated by some invisible script.

7. Saying you’re too busy to read books

You’ve got plenty of time to read books. Being “too busy to read” is usually just a failure of priorities. You’ve given up mindlessly scrolling. Use that time to read a book. You can even use the Kindle app on your phone to read books while you’re on the subway or waiting for a doctor’s appointment. You can get a lot of books read when you break it up into 5 to 15 minute chunks throughout the day.

8. Skipping cardio and mobility work

Strength training is awesome. But don’t neglect the other aspects of fitness. Cardio keeps your heart healthy; mobility keeps you moving like a human instead of a rusting Tin Man. It’s not hard to get this stuff in. Take a short walk every morning. Do a quick mobility routine when you get out of bed. Do longer Zone 2 cardio sessions two times a week. Life’s more fun when you feel vital and spry.

9. Letting minor annoyances ruin your mood

Slow drivers, long lines, glitchy Wi-Fi, inept customer service reps. These minor inconveniences and annoyances aren’t personal attacks. Sure, they’re annoying, but those annoyances probably won’t matter in ten minutes, so stop letting them ruin your mood for the rest of the day. No circumstances can make you feel a certain way; you’re in charge of that.

10. Avoiding difficult conversations

That talk you’re avoiding doesn’t get easier the longer you put it off; it just gets harder. Unsaid things have a way of leaking out sideways. Addressing issues directly is uncomfortable, but it usually brings relief. In fact, the awkwardness and discomfort you imagine will exist during that conversation usually don’t arise to the degree you think they will; the exchange typically goes much better than you imagined (here are some tips for upping the odds of that outcome). Rip off the band-aid!

11. Watching porn

We’ve written about the downsides of porn. Porn trains your attention and desire in ways that don’t translate well to real intimacy. Many men find that cutting it out improves their relationships, their mood, and simply how they generally feel about themselves. Why not give quitting porn a try and see if it makes a difference for you?

12. Complaining about things you can’t (or won’t) change

Complaining feels like action, but it’s usually just noise that allows you to slip responsibility for doing something about what’s bugging you. Stop your bellyaching: if you can’t change something, accept it; if you can change it, get to work.

13. Letting algorithms choose what you read and watch

Algorithms are everywhere, from your social media feeds to your streaming platforms, serving up things they think you’d like based on what you already like. But sometimes we don’t know what we like until we’ve tried it. Open your life to new flavors and delight-inducing serendipity. Browse bookstores. Wander record shops. Pick a movie at random. Choose articles and podcasts based on interest, not just recency or virality. Rediscover the joy of surprise.

14. Being cynical

Cynicism masquerades as manly intelligence, but it’s mostly just emotional armor. It keeps you from being disappointed by keeping you detached and aloof. The problem is that cynicism also keeps you from being moved and inspired — from the emotional investments that give life its richness and depth. This year, trade cynicism for love. You’ll notice that your life becomes bigger and more vibrant.

15. Thinking you’re too old to learn new skills

When you were a kid, you developed skills in academics, art, music, and sports, and likely even taught yourself things like how to do magic tricks and skateboard. Now that you’re an adult, can you think of the last new skill you learned? If it’s been a long time, consider ending that drought. That voice saying “it’s too late for me” is lying. It is harder for adults to learn new things, but it’s still very possible. So pick up that guitar or skateboard this year — just make sure to wear kneepads.

16. Drinking alcohol

Alcohol is essentially a poison, and in addition to making you feel like crap the next day and dinging your wallet, more and more research shows that even moderate drinking is bad news for your health. Make this the year you extend Dry January into the next eleven months.

17. Trying to win every argument

Winning arguments often means losing goodwill. Not every disagreement needs a verdict. Sometimes the better move is to try to understand the other person and agree to disagree.

18. Holding on to your anxiety habit

Anxiety ruins your well-being and ability to enjoy life to the hilt. You may think of it as a reaction, a feeling, or a disorder. But perhaps the best way to think about anxiety is as a habit. Like all habits, the anxiety habit can be broken. Here’s how to break yours.

19. Dressing like a boy instead of a man

For most of human history, dressing differently marked the passage into manhood; it helped men take themselves seriously and be taken seriously by others. Clothes don’t make the man, but they do shape how he shows up. Dressing more like a grown man and less like a boy will remind yourself (and the world) that you mean business.

20. Saying yes when you mean no

You’re probably a nice guy. You like to help people and you don’t like to disappoint them. But saying yes to things when you really want to say no is just setting you up for burnout and resentment. This year, learn to say no tactfully without over-explaining. It will free you up to say yes to meaningful, freely-chosen priorities.

21. Settling for a job you hate

You spend at least a third of your life at work. Why spend that time at a job you despise? Enduring a bad job drains more than your paycheck can replace. Even if you can’t leave tomorrow, you can start positioning yourself for something better.

22. Being a conversational narcissist

Conversational narcissists only like to talk about themselves; they don’t ask other people questions, and even when someone else has a chance to talk, they find ways to bring the discussion back to themselves. Conversations are meant to be games of tennis where you each take turns hitting the speaking ball over the net. When you listen as much as you talk, you’ll learn more, come off as more charming, and walk away with stronger connections.

23. Going through your week without a plan

Winging it sounds freeing until the week runs you over. A simple plan creates orientation and reduces decision fatigue. You don’t need a color-coded system; you just need a rough map. Check out our article on how to plan your week; it shares the system I’ve used for nearly twenty years to get stuff done.

24. Being too proud to say you’re sorry

Apologizing is hard; it’s never easy to admit you’re to blame. You feel like you lose status and face. But shirking responsibility costs you more in how people see you. You’d be surprised how much respect you can gain from others with a clean, unqualified “I messed up and I’m sorry.”

25. Not responding to emails and text messages

A hundred years ago, people set aside a dedicated hour or two each day to answer handwritten correspondence. Twenty years ago, people would spend hours each week writing each other long emails. Today, it feels too onerous to dash off a 30-second response to a text. Don’t let your attention span shrink so much that you don’t have time to reply to people who may need an answer to move forward on something, or just feel dejected over being ignored.

26. Blaming your parents for your current life

Your upbringing matters, but at a certain point, you’ve got to take responsibility for who you are now and who you’re becoming. You can’t change the past, but you’re in charge of the future.

27. Thinking good times are just around the corner

You’d like to get together with friends, you’d like to host a party, you’d like to take that trip you’ve been thinking about, but this month is just too busy. You’ll make those things happen a few months from now, when your calendar seems clearer. Of course, when that future time arrives, your schedule will feel just as busy as it currently does. The idea that good times are just around the corner is a mirage; life will always feel crowded. There’s no better or worse time to make fun happen, so why not pull the trigger right now?

This article was originally published on The Art of Manliness.

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Podcast #868: Escape the Happiness Trap https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/podcast-868-escape-the-happiness-trap/ Tue, 23 Dec 2025 14:01:06 +0000 https://www.artofmanliness.com/?p=175016 Note: This is a rebroadcast. Happiness is the subject of thousands of articles, podcasts, and scientific studies. Yet all this focus on happiness doesn’t seem to be making people any happier. In fact, the more they try to be happy, especially by fighting to get rid of bad feelings and cling to good ones, the […]

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Note: This is a rebroadcast.

Happiness is the subject of thousands of articles, podcasts, and scientific studies. Yet all this focus on happiness doesn’t seem to be making people any happier. In fact, the more they try to be happy, especially by fighting to get rid of bad feelings and cling to good ones, the more unhappy people often become.

My guest would say that the first step in escaping this negative cycle is redefining what happiness even means — thinking of it not as a state of feeling good but of doing good.

His name is Russ Harris and he’s a therapist and the author of The Happiness Trap.

Today on the show, Russ explains how struggling against difficult feelings and thoughts just makes them stronger — amplifying instead of diminishing stress, anxiety, depression, and self-consciousness — and how simply obeying your emotions doesn’t work out any better. He then unpacks the alternative approach to happiness espoused by Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. With ACT, you allow both hard and pleasant feelings to coexist, and unhook from the latter so that they no longer jerk you around. This allows you to focus on taking action on your values to create a meaningful, flourishing life, or in other words, real happiness.

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Brett Mckay: Brett McKay here, and welcome to another edition of The Art of Manliness Podcast. Happiness is the subject of thousands of articles, podcasts and scientific studies, yet all this focus on happiness doesn’t seem to be making people any happier, in fact, the more they try to be happy, especially by fighting to get rid of bad feelings and cling to good ones, the more unhappy people often become. My guest would say that the first step in escaping this negative cycle is redefining what happiness even means, thinking of it not as a state of feeling good, but doing good. His name is Russ Harris and he’s a therapist and the author of the Happiness Trap.

Today on the show, Russ explains how struggling against difficult feelings and thoughts just makes them stronger, amplifying instead of diminishing stress, anxiety, depression and self-consciousness, and how simply obeying your emotions doesn’t work out any better. He then unpacks the alternative approach tp happiness espoused by Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, with ACT, you allow both pleasant and hard feelings to co-exist and unhooks from the latter as they no longer jerk you around. This allows you to focus on taking action on your values to create a meaningful, flourishing life, or in other words, real happiness. After the show’s over, check out our show notes at aom.is/happinesstrap.

Alright, Russ Harris, welcome to the show.

Russ Harris: Thanks for having me.

Brett Mckay: So you have a background in medicine, but then you made a shift in your career, or became a therapist and you became a trainer in a form of talk therapy called Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. So you do therapy, but you also do coaching, and you got a book called The Happiness Trap: How To Stop Struggling And Start Living, and you start the book off talking about how most human beings, they wanna be happy. So we have all these blog posts, books, apps, courses on how to be happier, but people aren’t happier, depression’s up, life satisfaction is down, so what’s going on there? We have all these resources, there are people researching scientifically how to be happier, yet we still find happiness hard to achieve, what’s going on?

Russ Harris: Well, there’s a number of different factors, but probably the biggest one is the way that we think about happiness itself. Most people think of happiness as a good feeling or feeling good or a state of pleasure or contentment, and if that’s your concept of happiness, then there’s no such thing as lasting happiness. How long can a state of pleasure or contentment possibly last for if you think of the happiest day of your life? How long were you feeling happy for before there was some frustration, disappointment, anxiety? In western cultures, we don’t really learn how to deal with those inevitable painful emotions, we see them as the opposite of happiness and we start trying to avoid or get rid of all of those unwanted thoughts, feelings, emotions, all the uncomfortable stuff, and we start desperately trying to create more of the good, pleasant feelings and clinging to those feelings, and the technical psycho-babble name for this is experiential avoidance. Experiential avoidance is the ongoing attempt to avoid or get rid of unwanted thoughts, feelings, emotions and memories, all of that uncomfortable stuff that shows up inside us that we don’t like.

And experiential avoidance is normal, we’re all… [chuckle] I don’t know anybody who just loves having painful thoughts and feelings, but what happens is, high levels of experiential avoidance, where people are really trying very, very hard to avoid and get rid of unwanted thoughts and feelings, while high levels of this actually directly correlate with your risk of depression, anxiety disorders, addiction and many other mental health issues. So if you’re trying very, very hard to control your emotions, to avoid or get rid of the unpleasant ones and create and cling to the pleasant ones, it’s gonna create a lot of problems for you.

In my book, The Happiness Trap, it’s called The Happiness Trap because popular notions of happiness create this trap that actually pull you into this vicious cycle of avoidance that makes life worse. There’s a very different way of looking at happiness which doesn’t come naturally to most people. The concept to happiness I’ve just been talking about is really only become popular in the last 100 years, this idea that it’s about feeling good, but if we go back over the centuries for most of recorded history, happiness has not been about feeling good, it’s been about doing good, it’s about living your values, behaving like the person you want to be, doing things that are meaningful and purposeful.

And when we create a meaningful life, living by our values, doing the stuff that’s fulfilling and meaningful and purposeful, well, as we do that, we’ll experience the full range of human emotions, both pleasant and painful, we’ll experience the enjoyable emotions, love and joy, and we’ll experience the painful ones, fear and sadness and anger and anxiety and guilt, these are all part of the rich tapestry of human life. So if we could re-conceptualize happiness as living a rich, full and meaningful life in which we feel the full range of human emotions, both pleasant and painful, we’d be a lot better off.

Brett Mckay: Yeah, and that second definition of happiness, that it’s a meaningful life where you can experience unpleasant emotions and feelings but still have a meaningful life, that’s like eudaimonia from the ancient Greeks, like it’s a flourishing life.

Russ Harris: Yeah, very much. That’s much more in line with the meaningful, fulfilling life that encouraging…

Brett Mckay: Yeah, so you talk about, when we define happiness as just feeling good, we engage in experiential avoidance, and you talk about there’s different ways we can do that, and you call it we struggle with an emotion or a feeling, and there’s different struggle strategies you describe in the book, what are some common ways we struggle with an unpleasant emotion so we can get rid of it, and the idea is that we’ll feel that happy feeling again, what are some typical struggle strategies?

Russ Harris: Well, by far, the most common that we all do is distraction, it’s so easy for us in our modern world with our phones always at our fingertips that we can just distract ourselves with. Got some unpleasant thoughts and feelings going up, we start scrolling through social media or watching some YouTube videos or whatever it is that we like to do on our phones and our devices, and it gives us a bit of short-term relief from whatever unpleasant feelings are showing up, and a little bit of distraction’s not a problem at all, but we all know what happens when we do excessive distraction and I’m sure… I know I have, and I’m sure all your listeners have experienced that sense of wasted time where you’ve just been… Whether it’s skipping through programs on television just trying to distract yourself from how you’re feeling, and it’s not really very satisfying or fulfilling, and of course, it’s only a temporary relief.

Opting out is another very common strategy, we opt out of the difficult people, places, situations or activities that bring up difficult thoughts and feelings for us, we procrastinate on things, we avoid difficult conversations, we stay away from perhaps social situations that we think are gonna be challenging. And again, this opting out, procrastination, putting things off, gives us a bit of short-term relief, but of course in the long term, if we do too much of this, our life gets very small. If we do too much procrastination, that leads to many other problems because we’re not really addressing the important things we need to do in life. And so, all of these struggles strategies, they have this short-term relief, but in the long-term, they tend to make by for worse if you do too much of them.

Another common one is just substances, all of us just to some extent, put substances into our body to feel better, whether that’s just a aspirin or whether that’s a glass of wine, or whether that’s some chocolate cookies or chips, or in the more extreme cases, hard drugs. And again, very often when we do this, these substances give us some short-term relief from pain, but in the long term, if we overuse these substances, that we use them too much, too excessively, then we get all sorts of health problems, however that’s from overeating but overdrinking or addiction.

Brett Mckay: Well, you also talk about many traditional therapy modalities, they inadvertently maybe lead people to engage in struggle strategies, what are some examples of that?

Russ Harris: Well, I would say probably again, the two most common would be distraction techniques, these are so popular. Some unpleasant thoughts and feelings show up, and so you go to your happy place or you think of something positive or you snap an elastic band around your wrist and tell those thoughts and feelings to go away. And one of the big problems with distraction strategies is there’s a rebound effect, so they do work in the short-term, for example, snapping an elastic band and telling negative thoughts to go away, actually in the short term they do, but what the research shows very clearly is that in the long term, they rebound with greater and greater frequency and intensity.

It’s the same with squashing painful emotions down, suppressing our emotions, in the short term, we can actually do it, but again, in the long term, lots of research that show there’s a rebound effect where the emotions come back with greater frequency and intensity. Many, many pop psychology strategies rely very heavily on thinking techniques, it might challenge your negative thoughts or try to replace them with positive affirmations, and the thing with thinking techniques is they work quite well a lot of the time if your emotional pain is mild, if you’re just a little bit sad or a little bit angry or a little bit anxious or little bit guilty. You can usually think your way out of it quite effectively with these pop psychology strategies, but the more intense your emotional pain and the greater the difficulty you’re facing in your life, the less effective those techniques become.

Take the example of someone you love is dying or has just died, there’s no positive thinking strategy that’s gonna enable you to think away your painful feelings, you’re gonna have intense feelings of sadness or anger and maybe anxiety, it depends on what your relationship was like with this person and what’s led up to their death and so forth, but one thing’s sure, there’s gonna be lots of painful emotions. And you can’t just think that away, you can’t expect to feel happy and think positively in the face of a great loss, same with other very, really challenging situations in life. So, people often get a bit frustrated, they’re trying to use these positive thinking techniques and finding they’re not working, and then it’s what’s wrong with me and it’s just setting people up for failure. So they work okay with mild emotional distress but not with really big stuff.

Brett Mckay: Now, I’ve experienced that, ’cause I’ve read books about Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, one of the premises of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is that if you have this self-defeating thought, you’re supposed to challenge it. Alright, let’s think rationally and logically about this. But I found sometimes when I do that, I can come up with all sorts of reasons. Like if I’m like, “Well, I’m an idiot.” And then you’re like, “Well, am I really an idiot?” And I’ll be like, “Well yeah, here’s all the reasons why I’m an… ” I can come with up… [laughter] And it just makes it worse. And I’m feeling… And then like you said, you’re like you feel dumb, you’re just like, “Why isn’t this working? Why can’t I get this thing, this Cognitive Behavioral Therapy thing to work for me?” And then it just go down, it just continues down the vicious cycle.

Russ Harris: I can relate to that very strongly, yeah. And then of course that just gives you mind even more ammunition. “Yeah, see what loser I am, I can’t even do this Cognitive Therapy stuff.”

Brett Mckay: Okay, so those are some struggle strategy, so distraction, fighting with it, trying to [0:12:24.1] ____ rein your way out of it, you’re not saying that the Cognitive Behavioral Therapy stuff isn’t useful, it’s useful in some situations, but not all the time. Another thing that we often do when we experience a negative emotion or feeling or thought, besides struggling with it, is obeying it. What do you mean by that?

Russ Harris: Well, a lot of the time, our thoughts show up and we’re not even aware that we’re thinking, our mind says, “Do this, do that, do the other,” and we just go along with it. Our mind makes a judgment or an appraisal of a situation, “That person’s bad. This situation’s too hard, I can’t deal with it. I have to do this. I must do that. I shouldn’t do the other. I can’t do X until Y,” and we just go along with that stuff, our mind lays down these judgments and these rules, and we just follow along blindly. And the problem is that can keep us caught in a rut just doing the same old thing. I mean a good example of this is perfectionism for example. Our mind lays down all these rules, “I have to do it perfectly, I mustn’t let anyone down, I have to stick at this and make sure everything’s spot on, and there’s no point doing it unless I can do it perfectly.” And what happens is, if anyone’s experience this, and I know I certainly have in my life, it puts just massive pressure on you, it doesn’t even occur to you that these arbitrary rules your mind just come up with, that you’ve got a choice about whether you follow them or whether you bend them or whether you break them. We just go onto automatic pilot and do what our mind tells us to do. Another common example is people-pleasing rules.

These play a big role in many people who suffer from depression, it’s like I have to please others, I have to put their needs first, my needs don’t count, what they want is more important than I want, and if you get caught up in the people-pleasing routine, life gets pretty miserable, it’s all about sacrificing yourself to please others. So we can identify our mind’s rules by words like should, have to, must, ought, can’t unless, won’t, until, don’t, because. And we wanna have a look, if I keep following these rules, is it actually giving me the life that I want, is it giving me the relationships I want? One of the problems with obeying these rules is they very often create tension and conflict in relationships, particularly when we start imposing those rules on the other person, “You should do this and you shouldn’t do that,” and none of us likes being told what we should or shouldn’t do, right?

Brett Mckay: No, no. Okay, so we can either struggle with these negative thoughts, emotions, feelings, and that can lead to a happiness trap because they usually just backfire, just makes the problem worse, or there’s a rebound effect, or we can obey it and just follow along with it, and that continues to just making us feel miserable, doesn’t change anything.

Russ Harris: Yeah, well, just expanding the concept of obey, it’s not just about obeying what our mind says, it’s also obeying our emotions. Anger shows up and there’s an urge to shout or yell or fight, fear shows up and there’s an urge to hide away, escape, avoid, and so again, we often obey our emotions, just let them jerk us around like a puppet on a string, pull us into patterns of behaviors, just completely driven by the emotion itself.

Brett Mckay: And so we connect ourselves with your emotions, like too… We’re fused too much with our emotions when we obey.

Russ Harris: Yeah, fused is the technical term. Basically, the emotion dominates us and it just jerks us around and pushes us around. In everyday language, we say I was in the grip of anger for example, but what that basically means is you’re just allowing your emotions to rule you and dictate what you do, so this applies to thoughts as well as feelings.

Brett Mckay: So let’s dig into how Acceptance and Commitment Therapy approaches difficult thoughts and emotions, and you talk about the first step of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy is this idea of unhooking yourself from the difficult thought or emotion, what do you mean by that?

Russ Harris: Can I, just before I answer the question, explain the name Acceptance and Commitment Therapy?

Brett Mckay: Yeah.

Russ Harris: It was created by Steven Hayes, a Professor of Psychology at the University of Reno, Nevada. And ACT is the shortened term for it and it gets its name because of one of the key messages, “Accept what’s out of your personal control and commit to action that improves your life.” So there’s basically three strands to the therapy itself, one strand is this idea of taking action, committed action to do the things in life that are important and meaningful and fulfilling, so you get in touch with your values, your heart’s deepest desires for how you want to behave, how you want to treat yourself and others, and you use those values as a compass to guide your actions and motivate you to do the things that matter.

The second stream of the approach is learning these unhooking skills, how to un-hook from difficult thoughts, feelings, emotions and memories so that they can’t jerk you around and pull you all over the place, learning how to basically take the power and impact out of difficult or unwanted thoughts and feelings. And then the third stream of therapy is really focusing your attention, learning how to focus your attention on what’s important right here, right now and to engage in what you’re doing so you get the most out of it.

So unhooking skills are one of those three streams, and it’s basically a set of skills that really teach you how to respond to even the most difficult painful emotions, thoughts, feelings and memories in a new way, in a way that basically drains them of their power, they’re still there, it’s not a way to get rid of these thoughts and feelings, but it’s a way to take the impact out of them, you learn how to let them flow through you, let them come and stay and go in their own good time without sweeping you away, without crushing you and without you fighting with them or trying to escape from them.

Brett Mckay: Okay, so the idea is you’re not… Instead of… I’m trying to get an example, in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, if you had a negative emotion or thought, the typical response would be like, “Well, let’s look at this, let’s challenge it, do you have any real reason to feel like this?” And you go through this self dialogue. In Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, when you have that negative thought and emotion, that doesn’t happen, you’re not trying to get rid of the negative thought or emotion.

Russ Harris: No, that’s right. Yeah, so it’s basically… Your first step in ACT would be just to acknowledge, “Oh, okay, here it is, here’s this difficult thought,” or, “Here’s this difficult feeling showing up.” “Yes, I know this one.” And then rather than… Well, let’s talk about thoughts and feelings a bit separately, that kind of overlap…

Brett Mckay: Sure.

Russ Harris: That’d be useful. If you’ve got a thought like, “I’m not good enough,” for example, the chances are that thought has showed up hundreds of thousands, if not millions of times by the time you get to therapy or read a self-help book, or go and see your coach or something. So theres no delete button in the brain, there’s no way you’re gonna delete the, “I’m not good enough,” story so that it never shows up, it’s deeply entrenched in your neuronal pathway. And so it’s a bit pointless going in and trying to fight it and challenge it and dispute it every time it shows up. What we wanna do is basically lay down a new neuronal pathway in the brain so that when, “I am not good enough,” pops up, we can go, “Oh, there’s the not good enough story,” or, “Oh, there’s the inner critic,” or “Oh, there’s my mind giving me a hard time.” “Oh, I know this one, I’ve heard this before,” but instantly takes a lot of the impact out of it, just recognizing it, acknowledging it and choosing not to fight, it doesn’t mean that we agree with it and believe it and buy into it, but we start to see this is a thought, these are words or sometimes words and pictures that are popping up in my head right now.

Brett Mckay: So that’s thoughts, you could do the same thing with feelings as well, correct?

Russ Harris: Yeah, so a painful feeling shows up, anger or sadness, and again, the first step is just to acknowledge, Oh okay, here’s sadness or here’s anger. I’m noticing here’s tightness in my chest, here’s knots in my stomach, here’s some teariness in my eyes and just recognizing this is a normal human emotion, this is an emotion that we expect to feel when life is tough, when things are challenging, it’s absolutely a normal part of being human to have painful emotions, it’s a normal part of being human to have negative thoughts. And it’s useful to recognize if we come back to thoughts, our mind generates these negative thoughts for a purpose, it’s not deliberately trying to beat us up and give us a hard time, it’s always there’s an underlying purpose, our mind is always trying to help us avoid things that we don’t want or get things that we do want. The problem is, it very often goes about doing that in a way that is ultimately unhelpful. I often compare your mind to an overly helpful friend, one of those friends who’s trying so hard to help [chuckle] that they end up getting in the way and making things worse, if you ever had a friend like that, Brett. [chuckle]

Brett Mckay: Yeah.

Russ Harris: And so if you come back to the idea of your mind beating you up, criticizing you, telling you the not good enough story, usually your mind’s trying to help you change your behavior, it’s telling you to shape up or it’s warning you about what might happen if you keep on doing these things, how you might get into trouble, maybe it’s trying to save you from failure or save you from rejection, but mostly it’s trying to just help you shape up and do things better when it starts beating you up. If we take other common patterns of negative thinking like worrying, and predicting the worst, and catastrophizing, again, this is your mind warning you of potential dangers, potential threats, it’s trying to help prepare you for the worst, make sure that you’re as well prepared as you can be, it’s trying to keep you safe and avoid you getting hurt. So if we look at pretty much any negative cognitive process, we’re gonna see that there’s always an underlying purpose, it’s always your mind trying to help you avoid something you don’t want or get something that you do want or both.

But it’s just going about it in a very clumsy way, and so we’ll be, “Ah, here’s my mind again, oh, here’s the not good enough story, I know this one. Oh okay, thanks mind. I know you’re trying to help and it’s okay, I’ve got this handled.” So now we’re not fighting with it, we’re not arguing with it, but nor are we buying into it, nor are we letting that thought dominate us and push us around.

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And now back to the show. And what’s weird about… This is really counter-intuitive, by simply just accepting the negative thought or emotions like, “Oh yeah, there’s that thought,” it diffuses things. What’s going on there? Has there been research done? Why just noticing it and accepting it just takes the heat off of things?

Russ Harris: Yeah, well look, it’s interesting because coming back to Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and ACT are fellow travelers, and they actually do have a lot in common. And Steve Hayes, the guy who created ACT, was intrigued by the finding in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy that improvement happened way before you got to the point where you start disputing or challenging negative thoughts. We noticed that at the first stage in CBT is that you just acknowledge the thoughts that are showing up and you non-judgmentally label them, say, “Ah, okay, there’s black and white thinking,” or, “There’s catastrophizing.” And clinical improvement started at that point, just the noticing and non-judgmental naming of cognition which in CBT is called cognitive distancing. And so Steve Hayes thought, “Well, what if instead of going on to challenge and dispute those thoughts, what if we went in distancing further, really helping people to step back and see their thoughts as nothing more or less than words or pictures?”

And when we can step back from our thoughts, then we’ve got a lot more choice about what we do with them. I often use the analogy that your mind is a lot like radio doom and gloom, it naturally broadcasts a lot of painful stuff from the past, a lot of fearful stuff about the future, and a lot of difficult stuff that’s going on in the present, that’s a normal human mind, and have you ever had the experience there was a radio playing on in the background and you were so absorbed in what you’re doing that you hardly even knew the radio was there?

Brett Mckay: Right, yeah.

Russ Harris: And then… Yeah, yeah. And then suddenly the song changed, one of your favorite songs was there, and you were singing along and you were very aware of it, and then the song changed and the radio faded into the background again. And this is what we’re trying to help people do in ACT, it’s like focus on… Do the meaningful things, live your values, engage in what you’re doing, really focus on it, and let your mind just chatter away in the background, broadcasting all the stuff that it normally does. If you mind’s broadcasting something useful and helpful that helps you to live your life, then by all means tune in and make use of that. But a lot of the time, a lot of the stuff on that radio is gonna be fairly unhelpful. It’s like what happens if you start arguing with a radio? [chuckle] Its like, what happens if you start trying to ignore a radio? The more you try to ignore it, the more it bothers you, or a loud voice in a restaurant or a lawnmower outside, the more you try to ignore something, the more it bothers you. So just learning how to let it be there, let it play on and take anything that’s useful that gets broadcast along the way.

Brett Mckay: And in the book, you lay out some different strategies or techniques people can use to unhook, we mentioned… Which is notice a name, which is just like, “Well, there I am thinking that I’m an idiot,” that can work for a lot of people, but what are some other ones that you have found useful with the people you’ve worked with?

Russ Harris: Yeah, well, I’m wondering, could I take the listeners through a very quick exercise right now?

Brett Mckay: Yeah, it’d be great.

Russ Harris: Okay, so if you’re listening to this, I hope you’re listening to this, bring to mind a negative thought that tends to hook you, a thought that when it shows up, it tends to jerk you around, pull you out of your life, pull you back, pull you into a dark space. If you’re struggling to come up with ideas, then just pick some version of the I’m not good enough story, everyone’s got multiple versions of I’m not good enough, whatever, it’s I’m fat or I’m stupid or I’m too old, or I’m not enough of this, or I’m too much of that. So bring to mind a nasty, negative, self-judgment and what I’ll ask you to do is just for the next few seconds, I’m gonna get you to buy into that thought, believe it as much as you can, get all consumed by it, so please don’t challenge it or don’t dispute it, I want you to do the very opposite, let it hook you, let it pull you in, and obviously you’ll feel a bit uncomfortable when you do that, so I hope you’re willing to feel a little bit uncomfortable to learn a useful new skill.

So maybe if we just give people about five seconds of silence just to bring this thought to mind and buy into it. I’m stupid or I’m not smart enough or I’m fat or I’m unworthy, or any other thought that really tends to hook you, buy into it now, really let it grab you. Really let it pull you in. Now, silently replay that thought with these words in front, “I am having the thought that.” “I’m having the thought that I’m stupid.” Now, replay it one more time with a longer phrase, “I noticed I’m having the thought that.” “I notice I’m having the thought that I’m a lousy parent.” So I hope you viewers did that. Brett, did you have a go at it?

Brett Mckay: I did have a go at it, yes.

Russ Harris: And what happened for you?

Brett Mckay: Well, it just reduced the… There’s a distance put into it, the phrase is… I just noticed myself becoming more distant from that initial thought basically.

Russ Harris: Yeah. So yeah, that’s the common experience, if any viewer didn’t have that experience, I just encourage you to try it again, pick a different thought perhaps and try it again. But that’s a very simple… The technical name for what we’re doing there, I think you mentioned it earlier, is cognitive diffusion. So cognitive fusion means we get hooked by our thoughts, they dominate us, they have huge power over us, whereas cognitive defusion means we separate or distance from our thoughts and we can see their true nature, we can see that they’re words or pictures or combinations thereof, and when we can see that, then we’ve got a lot more choice about what we do when those thoughts are present. Now, I must say, I have occasionally had a client react when I introduce this exercise to them. I remember one guy, he was massively overweight, morbidly obese guy, and I took him through that exercise and he said, “But it’s true, I really am fat,” and he pulled up his shirt to show me. I was like, “Oh well, thank you for sharing.” And it’s one of the things in ACT is we never, ever get into debates about whether these thoughts are true or false.

So I said to this guy… He’d been referred to me because he was suffering from major depression, and so I said to him, “Look, I know you’ve seen other therapists before me and you’ve tried debating whether your thoughts were true or false, was that helpful for you?” And he’s like, “No, ’cause I am fat.” And he had a very harsh inner critic, “I’m a loser. I’m killing myself by eating all of this. I’m disgusting, look at all of this fat,” and so really, really harsh, lots of harsh self-judgment. And so I said, “Well look, your mind is actually a lot like my mind. We all have minds that are very quick to judge us and criticize us and label us and tell us what’s not good enough about ourselves, and this is basically a normal human mind, and I don’t know how to stop your mind from speaking to you that way. I do know that debating whether your thoughts are true or false is not likely to have any impact at all, right?” So he’s nodding his head yes. And so it’s like our aim here is to learn a different way of responding to those thoughts so that when they show up, you can take the power and impact out of them, so they don’t have to jerk you around, because I said, “What normally happens when all of these self-critical thoughts pop up, what normally happens when you get hooked by them?” “Well,” he said, “Well, I’ll get depressed, mate.”

“Okay. And so then when you get depressed, what do you do?” “Well, I eat a load of shit, mate.” “Okay, so getting hooked by these thoughts isn’t really helping you.” And then remember the other part of the model is about values, so I said, “Let’s just put this unhooking stuff to one side for a moment, now, let’s have a look at your values,” and one of my favorite ways of getting people in touch with their values is I ask this question, if I could wave a magic wand so all these thoughts and feelings that you’re struggling with are like water off a duck’s back, they flow over you without jerking you around, then what would you do differently? How would you treat your body? How would you treat your friends? How would you treat your family? How would you treat your life differently? What would you start doing more of? What would you start doing? What would you stop doing or do less of? And so I asked this guy the same question, I said, “Let’s just have a look at how you treat your body. If I wave this magic wand, all these depressing thoughts and feelings lose their power, how would you treat your body differently?” And he said, “Well, I wouldn’t sit around all day just watching the telly.”

“Yeah, okay, so what would you do differently?” “Well, I might get up and exercise.” “Okay, so you’d be exercising more, you’d be moving more. What else would be different?” “Well, I wouldn’t eat so much shitty food.” “Okay, so you might be eating more healthy food.” “Yeah, yeah.” “Okay, so I’m gonna say there’s a very important value here that’s getting lost, I’m gonna call it self-care, and if you were in touch with this value of self-care, you’d be making different choices, you’d be eating differently, you be moving more, exercising more.” “Yeah.” “Okay, so when your mind comes in and it starts beating you up and telling you the not good enough story and telling you about I’m fat, I’m a loser and so forth, if you get hooked by those thoughts, does it help you to live that value of self-care?” “Nah.” “Okay, so there’s no question here about whether they’re true or false, it’s just a pragmatic choice. Getting hooked by these thoughts isn’t helping you to live your values, do the stuff that’s important, so let’s learn some unhooking skills here, and let’s not waste time debating whether things are true or false.” So it’s a massive paradigm shift for people this approach, but a very liberating one.

Brett Mckay: And I imagine this takes practice to do, its not some one and done thing, ’cause you’re probably… I think most people are probably just ingrained like if you have a negative emotion, you gotta fight it, squash it down and distract yourself, it’s gonna… When you first try this stuff, you’re not gonna be very good at it, but the more you do it, the better you’re gonna get at it.

Russ Harris: Yeah, that’s a great summary, yeah. Basically, we’re talking about a whole new set of skills in this approach, and like any new skill, it requires practice. And as you said, these things are counter-intuitive, they go against the grain, they’re not our default. It’s so unusual for us to learn how to let these thoughts and feelings be there and just take the power out of them rather than fighting with them or running from them.

Brett Mckay: Related to this idea of unhooking ourselves from emotions, let’s say you’re experiencing a really strong emotion like I’m just… Just big, severe… Just anxiety or depression or just this rumination, you talk about you need to make room for that. Again, that’s counter-intuitive ’cause you think well, I’m feeling those things, I want those to go away, why would I make room for it? What do you mean by making room for difficult emotions?

Russ Harris: Well, I think I often talk about this idea, there’s like a struggle switch at the back of your mind, and as soon as a difficult emotion shows up, the struggle switch goes on and you start to struggle with it, so let’s suppose anxiety shows up, the struggle switch goes on. “Oh no, here’s anxiety, I don’t like anxiety. I wish this anxiety was gone.” Wow, now you’ve got anxiety about your anxiety, suddenly it’s getting bigger. “Oh, oh, now anxiety’s getting big, how do I get rid of that anxiety? This anxiety’s really terrible.” Now you’ve got another layer of anxiety, you’ve got anxiety about your anxiety about your anxiety. So the struggle switch amplifies your emotions, makes them bigger. You may then get angry about your anxiety. “Why does this keep happening to me?” Then you may start to feel guilty, “Oh, there’s starving kids in Africa, what have I got to complain about?” Now you’ve got guilt about your anger about your anxiety about your anxiety about your anxiety. So the struggle switch massively amplifies your emotions, makes them bigger, stronger, stickier, they hang around for a lot longer. So what we learn to do is how to switch off our struggle switch, so anxiety shows up and it’s not that I like it or want it or approve of it, it’s an unpleasant emotion, but I’m just not gonna struggle with it.

I’m just gonna let the anxiety be there, I’ll notice this tightness in my chest and knots in my stomach, and I’ll notice radio doom and gloom in my head is broadcasting a lot of scary stories, and I’ll just allow that anxiety to flow through me, I’ll just let it come and stay and go, not fighting it, not struggling with it, and what happens is I find that the anxiety is then free to move. It may get higher if it’s a very challenging situation, it may get lower, it may move on quickly, it may move on slowly, but the point is it’s free to move and it doesn’t get amplified and stuck as when the struggle switches on.

So there’s a number of different skills in the book that teach people how to switch off this struggle switch, and when you learn how to do that, how to just turn towards your emotions with openness and curiosity and notice what they’re like in your body and breathe into them and make room for them, it’s so much easier to have them. Without these skills, these emotions are always gonna seem awful and unbearable and your default is always gonna be to fall back into the struggle strategies.

So when I talk about opening up, that’s just a metaphorical way of speaking, really, people have to learn these skills that are all about tuning into their body with openness and curiosity and noticing the different layers of the emotion and learning how to let that struggle dissipate. And the research on this again is very powerful, there’s so many… I mean there’s over 3000 published studies on the ACT approach with over 1000 randomized control trials, which is the gold standard of research, and what we see is people with anxiety disorders, as they learn how to open up and drop the struggle with anxiety and let it flow through, and what we see is that their symptoms of go down and down and down and down and down. But not from doing the common sense things, not from trying to control the anxiety, not from trying to push it away, not from trying to challenge the anxious thoughts or squish the anxious feelings or replace them with relaxation feelings, it’s not from any of that, it’s from just learning this new way of opening up and letting it flow through you, so it is paradoxical stuff.

Brett Mckay: So yeah, if you’re angry, the thing would be like hey, just notice I am feeling angry, and then just letting it be angry and then just getting curious about your anger, thinking like, “Well, where am I feeling my anger? What urges do I have now that I’m angry?” You’re being curious about the emotion you’re having, and what this does counter-intuitively, it diffuses the emotion.

Russ Harris: Yeah, absolutely. And then again, looking at what angry thoughts is my mind generating and if I go along with those in obey mode, if I obey those angry thoughts, where’s that gonna take me? It’s not gonna take me towards the life that I want to live or away from the life that I want to build, so then bringing in your unhooking skills to unhook from the angry thoughts while at the same time, using your opening up skills to let the angry feelings be there in your body. And what happens as you do that, is you massively reduce the impact of those thoughts and feelings, which then gives you a lot more control over your physical actions, so this is the committed action part of the model. Instead of letting my anger control what I do, I come back to my values and I use those to guide my actions and do things that are meaningful, important or life enhancing. So once I’ve learned how to do this, I can feel angry but act calmly, I can say in a calm voice, “I’m feeling furious right now,” and that’s gonna have a very different effect than if I start shouting and yelling while doing all the typical things we do when anger is just jerking us around all over the place.

Brett Mckay: And again, this is a skill that takes practice, it’s not gonna be a week, it might take months, years to practice this thing.

Russ Harris: Oh, look, you can always get better at it, but there’s lots of good research showing that people can get benefits say even within 10 weeks of regular practice of this stuff, so it’s not a miracle cure or anything. As you keep saying, and I’m glad you do, it needs practice, practice, practice, but at the same time, if you do practise it and embrace it, you can get some pretty effective results in a short space of time.

Brett Mckay: So we’ve been talking a lot about unhooking ourselves from these negative emotions, but as you said, ACT isn’t just about that, isn’t just about stopping the struggle with anxiety or anger, whatever, it’s about committing yourself to living a meaningful life, doing proactive positive things so you can live the life you want, and that requires knowing what your values are, so you walk people through how to figure out what’s important to them, that’s an important part of ACT. Let’s say someone’s done that, they figure out, “Okay, I want to live a healthy life,” and they list out of tasks that they wanna do, those are intentions we have, we all have good intentions, sometimes stuff gets in the way of those intentions, how can ACT help us to live up to our values when things get hard?

Russ Harris: No matter how good you get at doing this stuff, there will be times where you just don’t live up to your values, where you do get hooked by your thoughts and feelings and pulled into self-defeating patterns of behavior, and when that happens, boy does it hurt, so we don’t wanna fall back into beating ourselves up, we wanna acknowledge it hurts and be there in a kind, caring way for ourself. However, we can get a lot better at living by our values, so there’s all sorts of little ways to bring them into your everyday life, you could start your day, each day by thinking of two or three values that you just wanna sprinkle into the day ahead, maybe loving and caring, playful, for example, and then you go through your day and look for little opportunities to be loving or caring or playful.

When we start translating our values into goals and action plans, it can be very useful to write those down, what are my goals, what are my actions, and to really tune into the values underlying them and to recognize that even if I don’t achieve this particular goal, there still 1000 other ways that I can live the value underneath it. If the value is being loving, there’s thousands of ways that I can translate that into different goals and actions. Life will often get in the way of one particular goal, but doesn’t mean we have to give up on the value of being loving or being kind or being playful or whatever value it is that we’re choosing to bring more into our life for that day.

And then another part of this is, is predicting how your mind and your body is gonna make this hard for you, what’s your mind likely to say to try and talk you out of this and what unhooking skill are you gonna use to take the power and impact out of that when your mind says it, and what uncomfortable feelings are likely to show up? When we really start living a values-based life, that means we face up to our challenges, we face up to our difficulties. It’s not a… Going back to the start of the interview, when we live a meaningful life, it’s not a life that’s just full of pleasant, enjoyable feelings, a meaningful life asks more of us, asks us to step up to our challenges and do the uncomfortable, difficult stuff. And so of course, difficult feelings and emotions are gonna arise, and that’s when we want to use our opening up skills to open up and let those feelings be there and let them flow through us.

Brett Mckay: That idea of when you set a goal and it doesn’t work out the way you’d hope, everyone experiences that, and I like the idea where ACT recognizes that just as your emotions aren’t in your complete control, you have to give up on that, just accept you’re gonna have these bad emotions, you also have to accept that outcomes that you have in life aren’t under your complete control, and the only control you have is just trying to live up to your values like you said. Even if you set a goal to, I don’t know, lose 20 pounds, maybe you don’t lose 20 pounds in the time you set, but you did in the process, every day try to live a healthy life in taking walks, watching what you eat and that’s a success.

Russ Harris: Yeah, absolutely. So let’s suppose the value is self-care, the goal is to lose a certain amount of weight, well, if you’re living the value of self-care through exercising and through eating well and so forth, even if you don’t achieve the particular weight loss you want, you’re improving your health and you’re improving your day-to-day quality of life through being self-caring. So yeah, we’ve all experienced that, that we don’t follow through on our goals, and we’ve all experienced how disappointing that can be, but that doesn’t mean we give up on our values.

And the goal-focused life is a life of misery, it’s always about achieving the goal, achieve, achieve, achieve and then if you do achieve the goal, a brief glimmer of some happy feelings, and then there’s the next goal and the next one. Whereas the values-focused life, we get to appreciate living our values from moment to moment, from day-to day. So we still set goals, they’re useful for motivation, but it’s about living those values, and if we embrace this concept, we can have instant success. If my aim is to live the value of being loving, I can do that right now and I don’t have to wait until the day I’ve achieved a particular goal. If I wanna live the value of being playful, I can do that right now, I don’t have to wait until the day that I achieve whatever goal it is I’ve set around being playful and so forth. So again, it’s very liberating, [chuckle] and then the goal-focused life can be very constraining.

Brett Mckay: Well, Russ, this has been a great conversation. Where can people go to learn more about the book and your work?

Russ Harris: Well, so the Happiness Trap… And very importantly, that folks check that you’re getting the second edition, I rewrote it recently, this has got about 50% new material compared to the first edition, so just check. Second Edition is available in all good bookstores and even in some of the bad bookstores and my website, thehappinesstrap.com, there’s more information there.

Brett Mckay: Fantastic. Well, Russ Harris, thanks for your time. It’s been a pleasure.

Russ Harris: Thank you so much, it was a pleasure for me too.

Brett Mckay: My guest today was Russ Harris, he’s the author of the book The Happiness Trap, it’s available on amazon.com and bookstores everywhere. You can find more information about his work at his website, thehappinesstrap.com, also check out our show notes at aom.is/happinesstrap, where you can find links to resources where you can delve deeper into this topic.

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The 11 Cognitive Distortions That Are Making You a Miserable SOB https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/the-11-cognitive-distortions-that-are-making-you-a-miserable-sob/ Sun, 14 Dec 2025 16:19:53 +0000 https://www.artofmanliness.com/?p=144073 Does it feel like the world is out to get you? Does it seem like everyone you know is an a-hole? Does it feel like your life is going nowhere and that you’ll always be a loser? If you answered “yes” to one or more of the above questions, then you might be a miserable […]

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Does it feel like the world is out to get you?

Does it seem like everyone you know is an a-hole?

Does it feel like your life is going nowhere and that you’ll always be a loser?

If you answered “yes” to one or more of the above questions, then you might be a miserable SOB.

Don’t worry, though. You don’t have to be a miserable SOB for the rest of your life. You’re probably not really a miserable SOB, even. You’re probably a swell guy who’s just let some stinking thinking infect his mind.

At least that’s what psychologist David Burns postulates in his book — Feeling Good — which helped popularize cognitive behavioral therapy.

In the book, Burns highlights eleven common cognitive distortions people engage in that make them feel absolutely miserable. These cognitive distortions are erroneous thought patterns that give everything a jaundiced tint and sicken how you feel about yourself, other people, and the world around you. According to cognitive behavioral therapy, a big reason people feel miserable is that their thoughts are jacked up. Fix the erroneous mental models, and you fix the bad feelings.

Below we highlight the eleven cognitive distortions that people engage in on the regular, and which may be making you feel miserable. With each, we’ve included the definition Burns gives of the distortion in his newest book, Feeling Great, along with a thumbnail sketch of it that can help you recognize that distortion in your own life.

1. All or Nothing Thinking

“You look at things in absolute, black-or-white categories, as if shades of gray do not exist.”

“If I never write a bestselling book, I’m a failure.”

“Because I’ve discovered these flaws in my faith, the whole thing is a lie.”

“She forgot my birthday, so she’s not worth having a relationship with.”

Most things in life aren’t black and white. Overly dualistic thinking isn’t true to reality. Life is full of nuance. A goal can be worth pursuing even if it doesn’t garner the highest success; there are worthwhile things in both flawed people and flawed philosophies.

2. Overgeneralization

“You generalize from some specific flaw, failure, or mistake to your entire self. Or you may generalize the way you feel right now or some negative experience you’ve just had, to the future.”

Overgeneralization is all about lending a globalized import to a discrete mess-up. You make a mistake at work and decide you’re incompetent at your job. You lose your temper at your kids and decide you’re a bad dad.

Overgeneralization deals in “always” and “never”: You make a cutting comment to your girlfriend and think, “I always ruin my relationships.” You miss one workout and think, “I’ll never get in shape.”

You can also overgeneralize with other people by taking a specific flaw, and deciding it’s indicative of their entire character. For example, because your co-worker whistles annoyingly, you decide he’s entirely inconsiderate . . . ignoring the way he always brings donuts to meetings and helps you troubleshoot your software.

3. Mental Filtering

“You filter out or ignore the positives and focus entirely on the negatives.”

Your mind is like Velcro for the negative and Teflon for the positive; bad things persistently stick in your head, while good things slide off and into the realm of non-awareness.

4. Discounting the Positive

“You tell yourself that your positive qualities or successes don’t count.”

This is related to mental filtering. The difference is that you do recognize the positive qualities in yourself or in another person . . . but then you convince yourself that they don’t “count.”

“My last idea went over well, but it won’t get me any closer to getting the promotion.”

“Yeah, I did lose some weight this week, but it doesn’t matter because I still look like the Pillsbury Doughboy.”

“That woman may have said that I looked handsome, but she was just being nice.”

5. Mind Reading

“You jump to conclusions about how others are thinking and feeling without any clear evidence.”

Humans are terrible mind readers, but that doesn’t stop us from trying to be clairvoyant. And when we do read the minds of others, we typically assume — without evidence — that they’re thinking the worst about us.

“My boss didn’t say anything after my presentation because she thinks I did a bad job.”

“That woman smirked at me because I’m unattractive.”

“My friend hasn’t answered my text because I’m not important to him.”

6. Catastrophizing

“You make arbitrary and disturbing predictions about the future.”

Catastrophizing happens when you make seemingly logical jumps between a catalytic cause and a sequence of subsequent potential effects, creating a chain that ultimately leads to an illogical final conclusion. For example:

“I got a D in my accounting class. That means I won’t have a good GPA when I graduate. If I don’t have a good GPA, I’ll have a hard time finding a job. If I have a hard time finding a job, then I’ll be living at home with my parents for the rest of my life.”

Each little jump in such a line of thinking seems reasonable, but it’s pretty unreasonable to conclude that just because you get a D in a college class, you’ll die alone.

7. Magnification and Minimization

“You exaggerate the negativity in a situation and minimize the positives.”

Seeing the world through a lens that magnifies the negative and minimizes the positive — a lens of consistent pessimism — contributes to depression and just feeling unmotivated in general. If all you see are the downsides of your job (a cold boss), and you minimize its positives (enjoyable co-workers), it’s going to be hard to get out of bed each morning.

8. Emotional Reasoning

“This involves reasoning from how you feel: ‘I feel like an idiot, so I must be one’ or ‘I feel hopeless, so things are never going to get better.’”

After a terrible fight with your significant other, you think, “She is the worst person, and this relationship isn’t working.”

After a thoroughly romantic date with your significant other, you think, “She is the only one for me. I’ve never been happier.”

Which is the “truth” about your relationship?

Feelings fluctuate. And while emotions can be a source of reasoning, they need to be trained to align with your intellect. People who take part in maladaptive emotional reasoning completely substitute feeling for cognition. Whatever they feel and only what they feel is reality.

So if they feel bad, something must be wrong with them or the world around them.

But that might not be the case. Sometimes you feel crummy for no reason in particular. Sometimes you’re suffering from “emotional contamination,” and a bad day at work infects how you feel about your family. Sometimes a confluence of unfortunate circumstances come together to create a cluster of chaos, but these circumstances represent an aberration, rather than a norm from which to draw any kind of conclusions.

9. Should Statements

“You criticize yourself or other people with shoulds, shouldn’ts, musts, ought tos, and have tos.”

“Shoulds” are expectations and standards that may be arbitrary in nature. We can feel guilty when we don’t live up to what we think we’re supposed to do (even if we’re not obligated to do it), and angry and frustrated when people and the way the world works don’t meet our expectations (even if we’ve never communicated those expectations and/or they’re unfair and unreasonable ones to have).

10. Labeling

“Labeling is an extreme form of overgeneralization in which you try to capture the ‘essence’ of yourself or another person with a one-word label.”

If garden-variety overgeneralization takes place when we draw broad conclusions based on one specific belief/behavior, then labeling is where we wholly dismiss ourselves or others by collapsing complex humans into one-dimensional categories:

Because you broke your sobriety streak you’re a “loser.”

Because your brother hasn’t repaid your loan he’s a “cheat.”

Because someone belongs to X political party he’s a “moron.”

11. Personalization and Blame

“You blame yourself for something you weren’t entirely responsible for.”

“You blame others and overlook ways you might have contributed to the conflict.”

When mistakes and conflicts happen, the cause of it is often complex. Oftentimes you’re not the only one responsible for a problem, and neither is the other person.

Quit Being a Miserable SOB

So how do you get rid of these maladaptive mental scripts?

The first step is just recognizing them. As you talk to yourself and to others, be on the lookout for these cognitive distortions.

The second step is to challenge your negative thought patterns.

If you make a mistake at work, and catch yourself engaging in overgeneralization by deciding that the mistake means you’re a complete loser, ask yourself if that’s really true. Sure, you made an error on some report, but you’re doing pretty well in other areas of your life. Your family life is solid. You’re making progress on your fitness goals. And the majority of work days, you don’t make mistakes. So, no, you’re not a complete loser.

Do the same if you catch yourself engaging in cognitive distortions about other people. Yes, people can be annoying, and you may disagree with them, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re utterly irredeemable. Humans are multifaceted beings. They can’t be understood by focusing on a single trait, or described with a single word. A person can be annoying and conceited and giving and hardworking at the same time.

Look for the good in your life and in others; then, let it really marinate in your mind.

Challenging cognitive distortions is a skill that takes practice to develop. Don’t expect immediate results and prepare to have setbacks. But with time, you can rewrite the scripts that have made you feel like a miserable SOB, and begin to become a more positive, confident, son of a gun.


With our archives 4,000 articles deep, we’ve decided to republish a classic piece each Sunday to help our newer readers discover some of the best, evergreen gems from the past. This article was originally published in December 2021.

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The Dale Carnegie Habit That Will Instantly Improve Your Relationships https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/dale-carnegie-sincere-appreciation/ Thu, 13 Nov 2025 16:04:28 +0000 https://www.artofmanliness.com/?p=191557 One of the most neglected virtues of our daily existence is appreciation. —Dale Carnegie  My career has mostly played out in roles that don’t involve directly managing other people. In late 2021, though, I spent a handful of months in a management role. That short amount of time totally changed my view of a manager’s […]

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Two men in business attire shake hands and smile while standing outside near a glass building, showcasing how positive habits can help improve relationships—an approach inspired by Dale Carnegie’s timeless principles.

One of the most neglected virtues of our daily existence is appreciation. —Dale Carnegie 

My career has mostly played out in roles that don’t involve directly managing other people. In late 2021, though, I spent a handful of months in a management role. That short amount of time totally changed my view of a manager’s job, as well as human nature and relationships in general. 

I expected the role to be more business-focused and even scientific in nature. Management content would have you believe that if you follow a certain set of predictable steps, measure the right “KPIs,” and give performance feedback based on a standardized rubric, you’ll be all set. 

The reality, as always, is a bit more nuanced. During my time managing a small team, it was far more about wrangling personalities and aligning expectations than anything else. Above all, though, I quickly realized that what folks mostly want and need is a cheerleader. They want someone to notice their effort and encourage them when the going gets tough. 

As William James once wrote, “The deepest principle in human nature is the craving to be appreciated.” 

It’s not to be managed to a set of desired ends, but appreciated

Dale Carnegie, perhaps the most influential self-improvement author of all-time, wholeheartedly agreed with James’ wisdom and made it one of the core principles in How to Win Friends and Influence People

Give honest and sincere appreciation. 

He knew that people primarily wanted to feel seen, valued, and respected — and that genuine appreciation is one of the fastest ways to build better relationships at work, at home, and everywhere in between.

The Nourishment of Sincere Appreciation

We nourish the bodies of our children and friends and employees, but how seldom do we nourish their self-esteem? We provide them with roast beef and potatoes to build energy, but we neglect to give them kind words of appreciation that would sing in their memories for years like the music of the morning stars. —Dale Carnegie 

The craving for appreciation is not merely about vanity. Human beings are wired for connection; we need it and thrive on it. In the same way our bodies need food and drink in order to function properly, our spirits need kinship. Giving appreciation is one of the most potent ways we can nourish the people around us. So when someone goes out of their way to tell you, “I noticed what you did, and it mattered,” it hits at the core of what makes us human and fills our emotional tank like nothing else. 

At work, appreciation boosts motivation more effectively than bonuses. In marriage, it fills the relationship bank account. For kids, it builds confidence faster than correction ever could.

Flattery vs. Appreciation

On the flip side of the appreciation coin, mere flattery feels disingenuous and gross. Carnegie drew a hard line between the two:

The difference between appreciation and flattery? That is simple. One is sincere and the other insincere. One comes from the heart out; the other from the teeth out. One is unselfish; the other selfish. One is universally admired; the other universally condemned.

Flattery is a manipulative type of praise that tries to get something in return. Appreciation, on the other hand, is grounded in sincerity. 

Fortunately, humans are generally pretty good at intrinsically noticing the difference between the two. We have a way of feeling it. It’s not easy to fake sincerity or earnestness, which is why certain people — or the certain things that some people say — just hit us as being off

True appreciation needs to come from a sincere and honest place or it simply won’t work.    

Making Appreciation a Daily Habit

Every morning, perhaps as part of your journaling or meditation routine, think about someone in your life that you can show your gratitude towards. Friends, coworkers, family members, even your rolodex of loose connections is fine. There isn’t anybody who would respond negatively to a bit of appreciation, even if it’s been a while.  

  1. Make It Easy. No need to schedule phone calls or write handwritten letters (unless you want to); a quick email or text message is totally fine, as long as it’s sincere. 
  2. Be specific. Generic compliments don’t land. Tell people exactly what you appreciated and why it mattered to you. 
  3. Notice effort, not just results. In a society where ghosting of all kinds is commonplace, simply showing up and giving effort is commendable. The ol’ college try really does matter and deserves to be recognized. 
  4. Don’t ignore what’s around you every day. Make a special effort to notice things around the house and express appreciation to your partner and kids. As Dale Carnegie said, “We often take our spouses so much for granted that we never let them know we appreciate them.” 

A Virtuous Cycle 

Giving honest and sincere appreciation doesn’t just strengthen relationships, it improves you too. When you make a habit of noticing what’s good in others, you start noticing more good in the wider world. You complain less. You lead better. 

Regularly offering sincere and honest appreciation takes but thirty seconds, costs nothing, and can make a world of difference. 

Be sure to listen to our podcast about Dale Carnegie’s insights for the modern world: 

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How to Make Anger Your Ally https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/anger-revise/ Wed, 08 Oct 2025 14:35:09 +0000 https://www.artofmanliness.com/?p=191143 Most of us grow up thinking of anger as a problem. We’re told it’s childish, irrational, and something to repress or rise above. As journalist Sam Parker, author of Good Anger: How Rethinking Rage Can Change Our Lives, told me on the podcast, that assumption has left a lot of people more anxious and depressed […]

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Most of us grow up thinking of anger as a problem. We’re told it’s childish, irrational, and something to repress or rise above. As journalist Sam Parker, author of Good Anger: How Rethinking Rage Can Change Our Lives, told me on the podcast, that assumption has left a lot of people more anxious and depressed than they need to be.

The reality of anger is more complicated. Anger is, in fact, a neutral emotion. Yes, it can make you snap at your kids or rage at a reckless driver. But it can also be a beneficial energy that helps you defend your boundaries, clarify your needs, and move forward on your goals.

The key is to learn how to work with anger, rather than against it — to make it your ally. The next time you feel your face get flushed and your pulse start to rise, here are four steps Parker suggested on the show to turn that heat into a positive force:

1. Name It

The first step is to simply recognize that you’re angry. For years, since Parker thought anger was a bad thing, he didn’t acknowledge that it was something that was present in his life. Then one day, while pounding a heavy bag:

I felt this strange surge of energy kind of coming up from somewhere lower down in my body, and I just started punching and swinging away with this kind of energy that I’d never had before, but also this feeling that I’d never had before in my body. And this went on for however long I managed to box for. And afterwards I was kind of sweating and bent over, exhausted. But I felt better than I had in months.

And I realized that the feeling that I tapped into was anger. I was absolutely furious.

And I was thinking about the things in my life that were going wrong and the conversations I needed to have to put them right. And everything was kind of unfurling beautifully in my thoughts. Everything was looking like targets rather than things to be afraid of.

Parker’s realization that he was deeply angry dramatically changed his life. By giving something he had been feeling all along a name, he was able to begin to get a handle on it.

We’ve talked before about the power of labeling emotions. Naming your emotions doesn’t make them disappear, but it does give you a better grip on them. There’s nothing quite so disempowering as knowing there’s an influence working on your thoughts and behaviors, but not being able to register and recognize what it is. Labeling your emotions allows you to evaluate them from an objective distance and gain greater control over what often feels like an uncontrollable force. Once you know, “I feel angry,” you can decide what to do about that.

2. Figure Out What the Anger Is Telling You

Anger is a signal. It imparts information. Psychologists say it usually points to:

  • A boundary being crossed
  • An unmet need making itself known
  • An old wound being prodded

When anger shows up, ask: What does this say about the state of my life? What does this say about me? What does it say about my relationships?

Parker gave the example of feeling slighted at work. Maybe the jab was small, but your reaction feels out of proportion. Instead of brushing it off or blowing up, stop and ask: Why am I feeling so angry? Did that comment feel unfair? Am I feeling overlooked? Is this touching on some longstanding insecurity from my childhood? Once you figure out what anger is trying to tell you, you can figure out how to address its root cause.

3. Give Yourself 20 Minutes to Cool Off

When anger hits, your brain gets scrambled. Parker describes it like this:

You become momentarily disoriented. You can struggle to articulate yourself. You can struggle to understand your own thoughts . . . It’s a sort of mental scrambling.

You don’t want to react when your brain is addled by a surge of anger; you can end up saying or doing the wrong thing and hurting others or your reputation. It’s best to cool off a little before putting the energy of anger to use.

You may have heard that you should count to ten when you’re angry, but the research says it takes a lot longer for your system to reset — about 20 minutes. During that time, rehearsing arguments or plotting payback can just amplify your anger in an unhealthy way. Instead, use the break to distract yourself; Parker recommends listening to a podcast or reading a book. Taking a walk very often helps too — solvitur ambulando!

Parker says that while it is helpful to let your anger diminish a little before you react, you actually don’t want to let it cool down completely; as we’ll talk about next, anger can be a positive source of motivation, and you want to use it to take action while it’s still providing you a little heat.

4. Channel the Energy Into Something Useful

Parker calls anger the most energizing emotion. Once you’ve got it harnessed by labeling it, recognizing what it’s telling you, and letting its most volatile edge pass, you can channel anger’s energy into a productive force.

You might think that anger is like steam in a kettle that simply needs straightforward release. But punching or breaking things, yelling, or kicking over a wastebasket aren’t effective ways to deal with anger; venting without purpose usually just amplifies your rumination, which makes you more angry. Rather than releasing your anger in cathartic bursts, you want to direct it toward more sustained and constructive outlets.

If you’ve identified an interpersonal issue or boundary violation as the cause of your ire, use your anger to give you the boldness to have a difficult conversation with someone. While your anger can provide the push to initiate a forthright discussion, keep the dialogue itself calm and composed.

Even if an anger-causing issue isn’t within your power to resolve, you can still use your anger as a source of general energy; unleashing it during a workout can give you the drive to push yourself harder.

Parker notes that anger can also be used as a spur for tackling creative projects and reaching your goals. He calls it the “I’ll show you” energy. While seeking “revenge” for slights and offenses can sometimes be pursued in an unhealthy way, burning to prove the naysayers and critics wrong can be a very motivating and positive fuel for achievement.  

Anger isn’t a bad thing or a good thing; it’s a neutral emotion that can be used for positive or negative ends. Aristotle had it right: the goal in life isn’t to banish anger but to purposefully direct it — “to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right reason, and in the right way.”

Do that, and anger isn’t dangerous — it’s a force for courage, growth, and greatness.

For more insights on anger, listen to this AoM podcast episode with Sam Parker:

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Podcast #1,083: Good Anger — Harnessing a Misunderstood Emotion https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/podcast-1083-good-anger-harnessing-a-misunderstood-emotion/ Tue, 02 Sep 2025 13:18:17 +0000 https://www.artofmanliness.com/?p=190543   Most people think of anger as a problem — something to avoid or repress. It’s irrational, immature, and best left behind. But what if anger isn’t bad? What if it can actually be an incredibly positive, productive, energizing life force? My guest argues we’ve misunderstood anger — and that doing so has made us […]

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Most people think of anger as a problem — something to avoid or repress. It’s irrational, immature, and best left behind.

But what if anger isn’t bad? What if it can actually be an incredibly positive, productive, energizing life force?

My guest argues we’ve misunderstood anger — and that doing so has made us more anxious, depressed, and stuck. His name is Sam Parker, and he’s a journalist and the author of Good Anger: How Rethinking Rage Can Change Our Lives. Today on the show, we explore the surprising psychology and philosophy of anger. Sam explains how anger should be understood as a neutral emotion that imparts valuable information. He shares why we confuse anger with aggression, how anger can point to unmet needs and violated boundaries, and why repressing it might be damaging our health. We also talk about anger’s role in work, creativity, and relationships, and how to channel anger to help us achieve more, maintain our self-respect, and live a more grounded life.

If you’ve ever thought anger was something to outgrow, this conversation may just change your mind.

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Brett McKay: Brett McKay here. And welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness podcast. Most people think of anger as a problem, something to avoid or repress. It’s irrational, immature, and best left behind. But what if anger isn’t bad? What if it can actually be an incredibly positive, productive, and energizing life force? My guest argues we’ve misunderstood anger and that doing so has made us more anxious, depressed, and stuck. His name is Sam Parker and he’s a journalist and the author of Good Anger: How Rethinking Rage Can Change Our Lives. Today on the show we explore the surprising psychology and philosophy of anger. Sam explains how anger should be understood as a neutral emotion that imparts valuable information. He shares why we confuse anger with aggression, how anger can point to unmet needs and violated boundaries, and why repressing it can be damaging our health. We also talk about anger’s role in work, creativity and relationships and how to channel anger. It helps achieve more, maintain our self respect, and live a more grounded life. If you ever thought anger was something to outgrow, this conversation may just change your mind. After the show’s over, check out our show notes at aom.is/goodanger.

All right, Sam Parker, welcome to the show.

Sam Parker: Hey, thanks for having me.

Brett McKay: So you got a book out called Good Anger: How Rethinking Rage Can Change Our Lives. This is all about… You did a deep dive into the emotion of anger that we often think of as something problematic. How did a 10-minute session with a heavy bag kickstart an exploration of anger?

Sam Parker: Well, I was having a year of anxiety and thought that the way to get out of that was to learn to relax. And so I would been trying all these different wellness techniques to do that. Everything from sort of yoga and meditation, stuff that’s been proven for very long time, to cold plunging and gratitude journaling some of the more modern stuff. And nothing was working for me. And I was trying out various exercises at this time in my life and boxing was one of them. I’d never really been a boxing guy before and one morning while I was going about my sort of regime as such as it was punching away at the bag, about 10 minutes in, I felt this strange surge of energy kind of coming up from somewhere lower down in my body and I just started punching and swinging away with like this kind of energy that I’d never had before, but also this feeling that I’d never had before in my body. And this went on for however long I managed to box for. And afterwards I was kind of sweating and bent over, exhausted. But I felt better than I had in months.

And I realized that the feeling that I tapped into was anger. I was absolutely furious. And I was thinking about the things in my life that were going wrong and the conversations I needed to have to put them right. And everything was kind of unfurling beautifully in my thoughts. Everything was looking like targets rather than things to be afraid of. And my relationship with anger until this point had been pretty much non-existent. I believed that anger was sort of a nuisance emotion, something that if you’re sophisticated, you’ve kind of moved beyond, something that flared up now and then that you had to get rid of as quickly as you could. And I’d never really considered that anger could be a source of power and energy. And that was what I got a glimpse of that day at the bag. And so as a journalist, I thought, okay, I’m going to explore this with the most open mind that I possibly can. I’m going to come at it with a blank slate and see where it leads me. And that was the start of the book.

Brett McKay: Okay, so let’s talk about this. What is anger? I think a lot of us, if you describe, like, what does it feel like to be angry? We could describe it like. But how do the psychologists describe anger? Maybe philosophers even, how do they describe what anger is?

Sam Parker: So there are five core emotions. Most psychologists are in agreement with this. Anger is one of them. And the mistake we make is to conflate anger with aggression or even violence as though they’re the same thing. And it’s actually a little bit of an anomaly because when you think about it, if I was to say to you, I saw such and such yesterday, he was really sad, you wouldn’t immediately picture that person crying in the corner curled up in a ball. But if I say to you, I saw such and such and he was angry, quite often people immediately think that means that they were ranting and raving, that they were getting into some kind of confrontation. They needed to be calmed down physically. They’re two separate things. So anger is a healthy emotion. It gets called a negative emotion because we don’t always enjoy the experience of it, but not because it’s negative and that it’s inherently bad for us or wrong or needs to be gotten rid of. It’s an emotion. And then aggression and violence is a behavioral choice. It doesn’t always feel that way, but it is. And when you start to separate out the idea of anger, the healthy emotion that’s actually neutral that you can act on however you want.

And aggression and violence, which is a behavioral choice, that’s when you can start to have a calmer relationship with anger yourself. The best way to think of aggression actually is as a rejection of anger. Because when we get aggressive, what we’re really saying is we can’t tolerate the insecurity, the pain, the fear, the disrespect. Whatever it is that the anger is pointing us towards, we find intolerable. So we get rid of it by losing our temperature.

Brett McKay: So we feel certain things with certain emotions. So when you experience sadness, you feel low, you feel like you don’t want to do anything. When you experience happiness, you feel excited. How do we feel when we experience anger?

Sam Parker: Well, one thing you feel is a surge of energy. And I think that’s the thing that people don’t always know what to do with. And so the classic sort of stereotype of smashing a plate or kicking a wall or something like that. You feel like a… Some people call it an amygdala flooding, which is when that part of your brain becomes flooded with chemicals. And so you become momentarily disorientated. You can struggle to articulate yourself. You can struggle to understand your own thoughts, all the rest of it. It’s a bit of a sort of mental scrambling. So that’s rage. That’s when it overtakes you in a big flash. You can, of course, experience anger on a lower level, where it’s more of an irritation. Yeah, it’s not a positive emotion. It normally doesn’t feel great. I mean, you can get a flush of righteousness that can feel kind of good. But for most people, yeah, anger is not a positive emotion, which is one of the many reasons why having a sort of conversation about its uses can be difficult to get off the ground, because people immediately think it’s almost like a paradox. What do you mean, good anger? What do you mean healthy anger? But that’s a misunderstanding of what emotions are. They’re not about feeling good or bad. They’re about giving us useful information about something we need to change in our life.

Brett McKay: So what kind of useful information does anger give us? What do the psychologists hypothesize it’s trying to tell us?

Sam Parker: So the hypothesis is that there’s three basic buckets of information that anger is offering to us. The first is like a boundary violation. So this is the most straightforward. Like if you bump into me in the street, that’s a boundary violation. I’m going to step back and go, whoa, whatever. I’m going to engage my anger to protect myself in some way, whether verbally or physically. The second thing it can be alerting us to is an unmet need, like something is wrong in our life. And I think this is useful in things like a work context where the action of a colleague, let’s say, makes you feel really angry, but it feels a little bit out of proportion to the thing that they’ve done. And you’re kind of like, oh, that’s annoyed me more than I can, why is this annoying me quite so much? And then you can analyze that and you can go, well, maybe I don’t feel like I’m respected well enough by this person or perhaps my boss or perhaps the wider team on this point. So there’s an unmet need there that I need to address. Something that isn’t quite lining up in my life. It can work well in relationships as well.

So sometimes it’s an unmet need. The third thing anger can be alerting us to, which is trickier, is a wound from the past. So it is reminding us, in a way, that psychologists would call transference. It’s reminding us or it’s taking us back to a time in our life when we felt helpless or disrespected. And so our anger in the moment belongs more to the past. And I think this happens with kids quite a lot. Sometimes the way your kids act around you can just make you so full of rage in a way that you know doesn’t really belong to them because they’re too young to really have meant it in the way that it feels. Often that’s because it’s reminding you of something in the past that maybe you still need to address or work on. So there’s kind of like three layers of depths of information that anger is pointing us towards usually. Sometimes it’s a mixture.

Brett McKay: You talk about how psychologists make a distinction between trait anger and state anger. What’s the difference between those two?

Sam Parker: Yeah, so trait anger is like a fixed personality trait and it is partly genetic. It does vary from person to person. And this is where we’re really talking about temperament. And state anger is when you are experiencing anger in the moment because of something that’s happened. And that comes for all of us, whether we are people who have high trait anger or not. And the book is really about how do we deal with the state anger and how do we get better at recognizing it’s there? Because if you’re anything like me, someone who thought they have no relationship with anger at all, then even recognizing when state anger has come along is very, very difficult. And I think this sits at the root of anxiety and depression for a lot of people.

Brett McKay: Yeah, we’ll talk more about that, how depression and anxiety might be a mask for anger. But walks through a history of anger, do you do this too? Look at the philosophy of anger and that’s why we have such a conflicted view about it. We typically think of it as like, oh, it’s a bad thing, I don’t want to experience anger. But sometimes we think, oh, sometimes anger is good, that righteous indignation. So why do we have such a conflicted view of this emotion?

Sam Parker: I mean, anger was the subject of the first self-help book, arguably, which was Seneca in AD 45. He wrote a book called On Anger, and he dismissed it as the most intractable of all the passions. He called it a monster that we needed to banish from the human experience. So we’ve kind of been debating whether anger is a good thing or not for a very, very long time. The way I trace it in the book was really through the story of Christianity. That was the backdrop to my upbringing. It’s obviously been a huge shaping hand on Western civilization. So there are many places you can start the history of anger. I decided to go with religion. The seven deadly sins began as evil thoughts, which was a list written down in a desert just outside Alexandria by a hermit monk who was writing a handbook for other monks on how to live a pious and good life. That idea kind of got passed down through the generations. And over time, it evolved into the seven deadly sins. And that became the kind of moral checklist by which early Christian societies were judged.

So we kind of just absorbed this idea that anger was a sin, anger was sort of inherently bad. But there were some kind of renegades in that history, in that story from ancient times to now. And I talk about some of them in the book. Aristotle was much more balanced on anger. He believed that we should pursue feelings and appetites with neither excess nor defect. And he had this term for it, Hexis, which is an ancient Greek word that means a relatively stable arrangement, which I love. And he Aristotle didn’t condemn anger as a sin. He linked it to courage and dignity. He thought it could motivate us to stand up for justice. But his was a sort of minority view. And it was one that got kind of lost when his writings got lost. Jumping forward to the Middle Ages, Thomas Aquinas, who was one of the most formative Christian thinkers in the history of the church. Around the Middle Ages, Aristotle’s writing was rediscovered. And he was the one that sort of took up the challenge of trying to assimilate what Aristotle had to say into the sort of Christian doctrine of the time. So he took a more moderate position on anger as well. So there are people throughout the history who have had this more balanced view of it. But the dominant view and the one that we still live with now is the idea that anger is a sin.

Brett McKay: Yeah, your section on the history of anger and Stoicism was interesting because I think it’s really relevant today because stoicism has become really popular again. I mean, for the Stoics, anger was a negative thing. They saw anger not as a sign of strength, but as like a temporary madness. It was a loss of reason. And that contrasts with Aristotle, who said, no, anger, if you use it in the right way, can actually be a really productive emotion. But the trick is trying to figure out how to be angry at the right things at the right moment in the right amount.

Sam Parker: Right. Yeah. And he called that good temper. Seneca was very clear that he was not a fan of anger in any shape or form. I think the other Stoics had a bit more balance to their view. And some of what they taught about framing emotions in the right way and so on is useful in this discussion as well. I wouldn’t want to sort of say that the Stoics were completely wrong on anger, but yeah, for sure, they were more disapproving of it than people like Aristotle. But I think there’s useful stuff in all of that, really. I mean, even Seneca had useful things to say about anger, but you’ve got to remember the context these people lived in. I mean, Seneca, I think he worked for Caligula, who was mad enough to declare war on the sea at one point. There was a lot of bad anger going around at that point in history. So I can kind of see why it got a worse rep than it needs to today, perhaps.

Brett McKay: So Aristotle and Aquinas, are they kind of laying the foundation for what you call good anger?

Sam Parker: I’d say so. I mean, the quote that you mentioned there is one that I opened the book with. Aristotle talking about being angry is easy, but being angry with the right person, the right way to the right amount is difficult. And that really is the crux of it, I think. It’s interesting to me that in the public mental health conversation, we have done so much to destigmatize sadness and fear, which is depression and anxiety. We’ve come to a much more sophisticated place with that. Anger, we haven’t, and there’s many reasons for that. And one of them is just that it’s so difficult. This mastering anger, I don’t believe you ever can fully, but trying to master anger is really difficult stuff. And so even that framework that Aristotle laid out, when you read it, it’s like, my God, yeah. That really is difficult. And whether you apply it to big or small issues in your life, it’s very, very challenging. But if you can get it right or you can get it half right, you’re in a much better position than if you ignore anger or you let it overcome you.

Brett McKay: Yeah, I think that difficulty of harnessing anger is why we often take an either or approach to it. It’s like, well, it’s going to be harder to do it right, so I’ll just try not to be angry at all.

Sam Parker: Yeah, exactly. And that makes sense. And that’s certainly how I lived for a very long time. What I didn’t clock was that it was making me physically and mentally ill. So it’s the price that we pay for that anger suppression bit is, I think, what we’re just starting to wake up to. And I think that’s the conversation that we need to have on a sort of broader level.

Brett McKay: So what are the benefits of good anger? So you mentioned Aristotle connected it to courage and action. I guess anger just gets you to do things in the world?

Sam Parker: Yeah, well, I think anger is a voice that says to you primarily that you’re worth defending. If you can’t get angry on your own behalf when somebody has wronged you in some way, then you’re not valuing yourself, really. It’s an incredibly energizing emotion as well, the most energizing emotion of them all. Sadness makes us inert, fear makes us inert, love can be very motivating, but you need to be angry on behalf of the thing that you love to defend it. So yeah, I mean, it has a lot to offer us in terms of wisdom. It has a lot to offer us in terms of energy. It can be the difference between standing up for ourselves and not. It can be the difference between really going after the thing that we want to go after. I call it the FU energy. And I interviewed one woman in the book who had been imprisoned as a teenager. She was a drug addict. Her name is Marcia Reynolds. She does an amazing TED Talk on the energy of anger. And she talks about the fact that the emotion that got her not only out of jail, but to the top of her business to be an incredibly successful professional person was the, I’ll show you anger that she felt at the way she’d been let down by people early in her life or dismissed as a lost cause by society and the people around her because she went to jail. And she said she rode that, FU, I’ll show you energy of anger right the way to the top of a business. So I don’t believe there’s any other emotion available to us that could have quite done that for her. That’s what she felt.

Brett McKay: I love reading biographies of artists or writers, and it’s amazing how many times a writer or a painter put out a great piece of work just to show someone like, hey, I got this. You’re wrong. I’m going to show you.

Sam Parker: Yeah, yeah. I mean, there’s the great Beethoven example that I mentioned in the book. I can’t remember the name of the piece of music, but he had originally written a tribute to Napoleon, who he very much admired. And then before he’d finished the piece of music, Napoleon declared himself emperor of the French, which scandalized Beethoven because he saw it as a betrayal of the ideals of the revolution. And so he wrote a different piece of music that to our ears is a steering, beautiful piece of music. But for him, was an attack on Napoleon, the memory of a great man. He said it was a tribute to. And this piece of music, I wish I could remember the name of it, the symphony, but it transformed the course of Western music. I mean, people were listening to it in Vienna and literally falling off their chairs. So there’s loads of great examples of anger inspiring, not just like heavy metal and sort of angry per se music or art, but quite beautiful art often has come from an angry place, a desire to give the world something it didn’t have before by getting into conflict with it. So yeah, I agree that the link between anger and creativity is also under-discussed, but very strong.

Brett McKay: Yeah, I know I’ve experienced that using anger as a motivating force. When I played American football in high school, one thing I sometimes did, I would just imagine the guy across from me on the line as just like, you’re just this evil dude and I’m just going to demolish. And I’m sure the guy was probably really nice, great kid, but I needed that energy to play.

Sam Parker: Yeah, I said to my nephew, he was 11 at the time, I asked him about anger and how he used it. And he’s a very sweet and loving boy. And he said that he was warming up for a park run, which is a thing in England where people do a 5k together at the weekends. And he saw a woman being rude to someone else and felt angry at her. And so quietly, he decided he was going to beat her in the race. So he just enacted this noble revenge in quiet and just lapped her a couple of times around the race and she would never have known, but he used that as motivation. He used that as fuel for his run. So yeah, I love that example. Yeah. And I think I interviewed proper boxers and things in the book and they talk about using anger in a very calm and considered way. So you can’t hate your opponent, you can’t lose your temper at them because then you’re in trouble, but you can channel your dislike of them or the disrespect you feel they showed you or something like that and use the anger in a sort of calm and powerful way. And I think sport is a great way to do that.

Brett McKay: One thing you explore is how men and women experience anger differently. What’s the difference there?

Sam Parker: Yeah, well, I think probably the longest-standing myth about anger is that it’s gendered and somehow belongs to men. And I think that comes back a lot to the conflation with aggression and violence, because statistically, most acts of violence and aggression are carried out by men. But in terms of actually just feeling the emotion, this has been studied since at least the 1950s. There’s a guy called Arnold H. Buss, who was kind of the great psychologist when it came to measuring anger and hostility in individuals. He was a pioneer of it. And he studied this sort of supposed gender gap from the 1950s all the way up to the 1990s and concluded very clearly that there was no difference between the sexes in terms of experiencing the emotion of anger. Interestingly, that may have slightly changed recently. There was a Gallup poll in 2022 that saw women polling ahead of men globally for the first time in feelings of anger. I think the anger gap is now at about 6%. So if anything, if we’re going to gender anger, we could say that women are angrier than men at the moment. But no, it’s an emotion that the genders feel equally.

The difference is in how we express it typically. My tendency towards suppression and repression is a more classically female way of dealing with anger, responding to anger. Men tend to be more likely to be anger out, which is the people who become aggressive. So there is a difference in how we express it and also how we socialize it and how we condemn it. I think a woman who loses her temper in public is going to be viewed in a worse light in a lot of ways than a man who does. We still live with that sort of inequality, I think.

Brett McKay: You talk about, too, not only are men and women socialized differently in how to express anger, but there’s physiological differences in our brain that tends to cause men to express anger through aggression and women not to. They’re slower to express it through aggression than men are.

Sam Parker: Yeah, this is one theory. The part of the brain that moderates risk-taking behavior is stronger in women than men. And so if you extrapolate that to an instance where you get angry, men are more likely to take the risky path in expressing their anger, which is to get into a confrontation. So there is some biological basis in the idea that men are more aggressive than women. There’s also the argument that for women it’s much more dangerous to get into confrontations and to express anger. And so there’s the socially moderating impact as well. So yeah, there is a difference and that contributes to the misunderstanding that somehow men are angrier than women, which they’re not.

Brett McKay: Does anger start in the mind or in the body or is it a combination of the two?

Sam Parker: So it’s a combination of the two. And I think this is another reason why people go wrong with the emotions in general. There’s still the sort of sense that was believed around the time of the Enlightenment that the brain is where emotions happen and that our emotions are responses in the brain to experiences. Actually, the most recent biological understanding of it is that emotions are generated by the whole body and by the mind as well. So it’s actually a physical thing as much as it is a mental thing. And understanding that was… We talked about boxing before, but understanding the way that emotions and anger in particular manifests in the body was like a real eureka moment for me because I was somebody who struggled to know when anger was there. And the body was a way to start to get much better at that. And I still rely on that now. There are times when my mind hasn’t caught up to the fact that I’m angry yet, but my body is telling me pretty clearly that I am. And that kind of helps me understand what I’m feeling about something a lot more quickly.

Brett McKay: So we talked about how because we have such a conflicted view of anger, a lot of people have a hard time recognizing it. And then you talk about how often anger can be masked by other emotions like depression or anxiety. How does that work? How can anger show up as depression or anxiety, etcetera?

Sam Parker: Yeah, so there’s an expression that a lot of people will be familiar with, which is that depression is anger turned inward. And this was something that Freud first wrote about in 1917 in an essay called Mourning and Melancholia. And he compared the state of mourning with the state of what… Wasn’t called depression quite then, it was called melancholia. But he compared those two states, what’s the difference between them. In many ways they’re very similar in the way that you respond to being in mourning and being depressed. The difference that he found was that depression contains a lot of angry self-talk. And if you were to externalize the inner voice of someone who’s suffering from depression, and often these are the most outgoing, friendly people you meet. Their internal voice is very angry. So what they’re doing is they’re turning anger in on themselves, and they’re doing it in their private thoughts. And this is a huge part of why they feel depressed. Less well known, I’d say, is that anger plays a very similar role in anxiety. So for people who have difficulty expressing anger confidently, recognizing it in themselves, being comfortable with it, all of those things, that often manifests as anxiety disorders. And so this is what was happening with me. I had generalized anxiety disorder, spent many, many days feeling a dread and an anxiety that I couldn’t really place on anything. Very much thought it was my lot in life in some sense.

Brett McKay: You had some teeth grinding going on. You were like grinding your teeth to a pulp.

Sam Parker: Teeth grinding. Yeah, so the physical manifestations of it, when I look back now are really quite shocking. But yeah, I mean, I ground my teeth to a point that I had dentists looking at me with real despair. Yeah, I’d wake up every morning feeling like I’d been punched in my sleep. And the anxiety and some of the physical symptoms were the first things to be alleviated when I started working on anger. So anger repression can write itself across the body, it can write itself across our mental health. And yeah it’s an invisible problem. This is the thing is, we know about the anger out problem because obnoxious, aggressive, violent people take up a lot of time and space. They take up the mental space of the people around them. It’s a big social problem, crime, the rest of it. So, of course, that’s where our focus has been so far. But the other anger problem that’s hidden is anger suppression, and it’s individuals who are paying the price for that. And often it’s in the form of anxiety or it’s in the form of physical illness.

Brett McKay: Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. So if anger is an emotion that tells you that something’s not right, like there’s been a boundary violation or there’s an unmet need in your life, and then you don’t have a way to use that emotion productively and… 

Sam Parker: Or even though it’s there.

Brett McKay: Even though it’s there, like you kind of develop a learned helplessness. It’s like, well, I’m feeling this thing, I can’t do anything about it. And now I feel depressed because I can’t do anything about it. So I can see how anger could lead to depression in that sense.

Sam Parker: Yeah, absolutely. That’s it.

Brett McKay: We’re going to take a quick break for a word from our sponsors. And now back to the show. Let’s talk about some specific examples where anger shows up frequently. You mentioned work. What’s interesting about work is that in the past three decades or so, there’s been a lot of time and money spent trying to make work more pleasant and less anger prone. I mean, managers and employees, they get training on soft skills that should help reduce anger. But you highlight paradoxically, many people are experiencing more anger at work. What’s going on there?

Sam Parker: Well, I was always very puzzled by this. Is being angry at work an advantage or not? Because in a typical team of 10 people, there might be one person who’s sort of outwardly quite angry and quite confrontational. And what tends to happen is that the other nine people tiptoe around that person. They take up a lot of energy. But are they getting ahead or are they not? What I started to look into was the quiet quitting phenomenon, which I’m sure most people will have heard of. It’s been much discussed in recent years. But this idea that people are just disengaging at work. They’re kind of there, but they’re not there in body and mind, although they’re in body, not in mind, not in soul. And so I started to dig into the stats behind this phenomenon. And what it turns out is that a lot of people now, they’re quiet quitting, not because of remuneration, not because of how much they believe the company cares about them. Companies are very careful now to seem caring and might even have good policies to that. What they often feel is unchallenged. They don’t feel that they are giving enough direct, constructive feedback and guidance.

And I think what’s happened is that of course, there are exceptions. There are still workplaces that are full of bullying and toxic behavior and aggression. But in many workplaces, I think there’s been an overcorrection to the point where we feel like anger has absolutely no place at all at work, because if you’re a boss, it can get you into trouble. If you’re a peer, it can mark you out as a problem, someone who doesn’t collaborate properly, all those sorts of things. And we’ve sort of lost the ability, or perhaps we never had it in a work context, to just sit with somebody and say, you’ve angered me with what you’ve done there. And I think some of it is about this and some of it might be about my own stuff, but can we talk it through? Instead, what happens now is that someone pisses you off at work and you go to Slack and you find your ally and you slag them off for a moment and there’s some unproductive thing that can be happening, really. And so work has become this area of life where there’s so much unexpressed anger and so much sort of frustration that we have with each other in private. I don’t think it’s healthy. And I think part of it, as you say, is the fact that we’ve gone so far in the other direction with trying to make sure that workplaces are kind of very polite and caring places. And that’s not a bad aim at all, but you don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Brett McKay: Yeah, work can feel just sort of like this mushy, amorphous, because anger can set boundaries, it can push back when you need to. But when you don’t have that, you lose that. And so people just feel like, what are we doing? I don’t know what I’m supposed to be doing. What’s the metric I’m supposed to hit? And because they don’t feel like they have any direction at work, they’re like, oh, I’m just not engaged and I’m going to bounce out.

Sam Parker: Yeah, exactly. People just feel like, well, what’s the point of this? I’m not being challenged. I’m not being developed. And I think there’s the bad boss. What used to be a bad boss was a kind of an obnoxious bully. And they still exist. But actually, the more common bad boss now, I think, is the one who’s just afraid to upset you. They just want to be everyone’s best friend and they want to be first down the pub and they want everyone to like them. And I’ve been guilty of this as a manager over the years as well. So I say it from a point of self-reflection as much as anything. But if you don’t have that gear where you can give honest feedback and say when you’re not happy with someone, then no one really… It’s sort of stasis, isn’t it? It’s kind of everything gets quite static. And yeah, it’s not good.

Brett McKay: Yeah, I mean, I’m sure people have experienced this. They’ve had a boss that’s very demanding, strict, can seem angry, but sometimes they’re like, I loved working for that guy because we got things done. I knew where I stood and it was productive. I know I experienced that when I played sports. I loved having that really stern kind of mean coach because I knew that they were doing it for a purpose. I knew they wanted to help us win. But then you had the coach, kind of your buddy, buddy, and you slacked off.

Sam Parker: Yes, yeah, exactly.

Brett McKay: You actually, you cite a study in the book that people actually prefer an angry boss over a non-angry boss as long as they’re angry and helpful. And that just goes back to that, well, they know what’s expected of them and they don’t know that unless their boss says hey, look, you messed up here. So it’s not a toxic anger, it’s not bullying, but it’s just being willing to say I’m frustrated because you’re not doing what you’re supposed to be doing. And just for everyone at work, when you’re an employee, it’s good to recognize when someone else is making you angry and figure out what to do about it than to ignore it.

Sam Parker: Yeah, and it comes back to that idea of we’re very good at spotting what anger has told us about someone else. It’s the first bit of information we get. We’ve been wronged. Somebody’s done something that’s pissed us off. You have to learn to ask yourself the second question, which is, well, what is this anger telling me about me? And at work, that often means I feel insecure. I’m not sure I’m respected enough on this part of what I do. I’m under-challenged by my boss, and so that’s part of why I’m getting frustrated with this not working out. If you look at your anger and what it’s telling you at work, you actually get to the nub of, like, what’s making you unhappy a lot quicker. And addressing that, as well as having the honest conversation from time to time, but addressing that deeper unmet need that the anger is pointing you towards can be so useful, and I’ve found it so useful in my career, looking at anger that way and thinking about what’s really making me frustrated here. Because at the end of the day, we sort of know that work isn’t that important. For most of us, it’s something we do for money and so on, but if you’re losing sleep at the weekend over something at work, chances are there’s something a little bit deeper going on than just someone sent a shitty email.

Brett McKay: Yeah. Well, this is useful. This goes back to that idea of transference you talked about earlier, Freud, where sometimes we’ll bring to the table a problem that we’re experiencing with another person, like some of the stuff we dealt with as a kid. And so if you experience that at work, if you experience anger at work, you have to ask yourself, okay, is it what this person’s doing that’s making me angry, or is it like, am I bringing something up from my past, on how it was dealt with as a child? I’m transferring my dad treating me, like making me feel crappy to my boss giving me critical feedback.

Sam Parker: Exactly, yeah, and I think that happens all the time, and something I’ve had in my life is that sometimes people in charge of me really bring out that people pleaser, and I’m desperate for their approval and that’s about my own baggage from the past, and it stops you sometimes from sticking up for yourself. It can make you a bit of a pushover. It can mean people take advantage of you. And again, that’s not honoring your anger because you feel like there’s no place for it, or how could I possibly be angry with my boss? Well, of course you can be and maybe your inability to feel it towards them is, as you say, is a case of transference. So it works the other way around. You can be getting too pissed off with someone at work, and they don’t really deserve it, and you’re doing a bit of projecting from the past. Or you can be underreacting to something at work, which I see just as often. So yeah, the role of transference at work is so fascinating, and not many people have written about it that deeply, but I think there’s a really good book to be written on that in itself, probably.

Brett McKay: Why is anger an important emotion to experience in a romantic relationship or even a friendship?

Sam Parker: So this comes down partly to a concept called rupture and repair, which is basically that any healthy relationship, whether it’s a friendship or a romantic relationship or a parent and child, goes through phases of rupture and repair where you break apart. Symbolically you argue, you drift, and then you come back together and reconcile and reaffirm your love for each other. And this is the flux that all healthy relationships go through. When a relationship has no space for anger, when you have two people together who don’t know how to argue, don’t know where to say that they’re angry with each other, the rupture and repair sort of gets… It gets snagged, it’s not working properly. And it can create this really sort of inauthentic, quite tense environment. I don’t know if you… I mean, I’ve certainly been in relationships a bit like that. And you’re wondering why things are a bit tense and weird behind you. And it’s almost like the weather before a storm, like the storm needs to break between you. But if you can’t access your anger, then it doesn’t happen. So anger is a really important part of love.

If you don’t know what makes your partner angry, and if your partner doesn’t feel confident enough to show you when they’re angry, then you’re not really being your full self with each other.. It’s about being… It’s an overused word now, but it’s about being authentic, isn’t it? If you can’t be angry with the person that you are closest to ostensibly, and most linked with and tied up with, then something’s not right. So yeah, anger is a huge part of love.

Brett McKay: So how do we get better at recognizing anger in ourselves?

Sam Parker: Well, I think the first thing is to really sit and think about what you think anger is. And I’m glad we started this conversation talking about definitions because that has to be the starting point for people, I think. And if you have in your head that anger is an inherently catastrophic, dangerous thing or something to be ashamed of, which is another thing a lot of people feel, then you really got to start with resetting that and believing in yourself that anger is an acceptable emotion. It’s a neutral emotion. It’s something we have a choice about, but it’s also something that we can’t avoid. There is no life without anger. Then it’s about learning, okay, well, if I’m not comfortable with anger, what do I do in its place? What’s my racket emotion, they call it in psychology, which is when you replace one emotion with another one that you think is more acceptable. So the classic racket emotion for women and anger is sadness. It’s to start to cry. And I spoke to many very professionally accomplished women who have this frustration of when they get angry at work, they start to cry.

Another good example of a racket emotion is the guy who can’t stop telling jokes when he’s sad, the clown who’s crying on the inside. Figuring out what your racket emotion is, what do you do when you’re angry instead of be angry, is one way that you can start to get the pieces on the map to figure this thing out. The next, which we touched on before, is to look at your body. So I know now when I grind my teeth and I don’t know why I’m grinding my teeth, something’s happened at some point recently that’s made me angry. And I’m just not ready to accept it yet or haven’t quite come to terms of that yet. So then I can kind of look at what’s going on in my life at that moment, my relationships, recent conversations, and try and find the thing that I’m angry about because my body’s telling me that I’m angry even though my mind hasn’t quite caught up yet. So tuning into your body is a great way to start to find your anger. Some people do use physical activities. I spoke to a fascinating scientist who wrote a book about embodied emotion.

And this is a form of meditation where you sit and you meditate on an emotion, so anger. Often it manifests somewhere in your diaphragm. And you teach yourself the discipline of sitting with that feeling in your body for as long as you can and seeing where it spreads in other parts of your body. And I think this is what happened to me boxing that day. The anger spread to my arms. It was in other parts of my body. And the more you spread it, the more empowered you feel by it, the greater you can carry that load of it. So there’s lots of interesting ways that you can start to find the anger when it doesn’t seem to be there. I’ve gotten to a habit of just, any time I’m going through an emotional experience or something significant has happened, I ask myself, well, where’s the anger here? Because there’s going to be a little bit of anger in response to most things. And so teaching myself to look for it even when I don’t think it’s there is another way of just normalizing your relationship with the emotion.

Brett McKay: And what’s interesting by recognizing and then naming the emotion, in a way that helps you kind of harness it and control it. If you just say, I’m feeling angry right now, just the naming of it can go a long way for you to not let it get out of control.

Sam Parker: Oh, 100%. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Naming it to yourself is powerful enough. I think people are afraid of anger. One of the reasons they’re afraid of it is that they think, well, if I accept that I’m angry, I’m going to have to do something scary. I’m going to have to go and have it out with that person or get into a fight or whatever it is. And it might lead to that, but you don’t have to. You can just, as you say, you can name it in yourself, you can name it in the conversation with somebody else, and that goes a long way. And then you’re kind of in a place where you’re being curious about the emotion rather than overwhelmed by it and you start seeing your response to it as a choice. But it has to start with recognizing that it’s there and this is a problem that so many people have. And I spoke to some amazing people who had this challenge very accomplished, sophisticated, intelligent people who could not name anger in themselves and found it really, really difficult. So we kind of have to do that first bit. And then you start getting to the really good stuff, which is like, okay, I’m comfortable with anger now. How am I going to act on it? Like, what am I going to do with this insight? What am I going to do with this energy? How am I going to use it to make my life better?

Brett McKay: Okay, so the first step in harnessing good anger is just naming it and claiming it?

Sam Parker: Yeah.

Brett McKay: What do you do after that? Because I mean, I think there’s these misconceptions about if you do recognize anger, like what you’re supposed to do with it, one of them you talk about is the whole, well, you’re feeling angry, to get rid of anger, you have to release it like a pressure valve. So you just got to yell and punch a pillow and break stuff in one of those wrecking rooms that are there. Does that actually do anything for anger?

Sam Parker: No, I mean, I’m very skeptical of that. I mean, I think it can have symbolic value. And the primal scream therapy, which I think we’re about the same age, I think we’re probably both a bit too young for that era, but primal scream therapy was a big thing in the ’70s. And it was this idea you could go and scream out your bad emotions and your difficult emotions could just be sort of vented. From everything I’ve read, there’s very little evidence that that is genuinely cathartic. You get a momentary release. But beyond that, it doesn’t really do anything for the anger itself. And part of the reason is that you’re not linking it to anything useful. So this is like now we’re back to the good anger bit. If I go and smash a plate because I’m frustrated, it might feel good for 0.5 seconds, but then all I’m left with is a smashed plate. If I take that anger and I go and channel it into, you mentioned American football or boxing or something. The acquisition of a skill, something that we see as being healthy and useful, then great. Okay. I’ve linked anger to just something useful.

That’s a good step on the road to using it well. Socially, what it looks like is, okay, I felt this anger. I’ve taken a moment to really be honest with myself about what it’s saying, not just about the other person, but me, what my unmet needs are, what my insecurities are. I’ve got the measure of like how bad this thing is, and I still need to do something about it. Well, that means I’m going to have to go and have a conversation with this person and I’m going to have to find a way to say to them, I’m angry with you, which can be really difficult. And then you work on a way forward together that’s defined by mutual respect and empathy and everything that makes a conversation productive. But you can’t just siphon it out. It doesn’t really work like that. And this is where we go wrong online as well. Sorry to jump around a little bit, but one of the problems with expressing anger on social media, which is where most people do their venting now, is that by design, these platforms don’t want you to go anywhere. They certainly don’t want us to have a productive conversation with each other so we can get on with our day, having reached a good conclusion with our anger.

They want us to stay frustrated. So what we get is the opportunity to vent, to smash the plate, but absolutely no opportunity for a cathartic resolution to the anger. So venting anger without purpose, without any sort of proper resolution is not very useful for us. In fact, it’s actually pretty unhealthy. It feels rubbish. And this is why if you spend an afternoon on Twitter arguing with someone and you’re not listening to each other, it feels crap. No one walks away from that experience feeling good. But you can walk away from the experience of being angry with someone in real life and feel great, because you can get to a point where you both feel more respected than you did before.

Brett McKay: Yeah. So I’ve read research about the whole venting thing. They found that it actually just makes you angrier, but it’s not a productive.

Sam Parker: Right. You stew. 

Brett McKay: Yeah, you just stew and you feel more and more upset and more riled up.

Sam Parker: Right.

Brett McKay: And it doesn’t do anything. So how can we turn anger into, you call it a life force, an energy, that thing that Aristotle talked about, where it compels us to solve the problem, write a great book, create a great piece of art. What can we do to make anger a positive energy in life force?

Sam Parker: Well, I think you have to make a choice with what am I going to do with this energizing feeling that I’ve got? Is it going to be the difficult conversation with someone? It may be that that is impossible or undesirable. It may be that tactically it’s just not the right thing. So the choice you’re making is, am I going to channel this into a productive conversation or am I actually just going to take the energy and turn it into the, I’ll show you energy and I’m going to go and write the report that makes me outshine this person. I’m going to go and work on the side project that’s going to help me get out of this job where I feel things are hopeless. It’s making that choice about what you’re going to do with the energy that the anger is giving you, coupled with the insight that it’s provided. And then you take it forward. But I mean, talking about having it as something that’s kind of integrated into your life in a general sense, which is where I try and end the book and something I’m still working towards myself. I think that takes a long time.

And I think that one of the beautiful things about being more in touch with anger is that paradoxically, it actually makes you feel more at peace in other areas of your life. And this has been my experience. I used to have quite an ungenerous interpretation of certain other people who might have certain traits or behave in certain ways. And what I didn’t realize I was doing was I was projecting a lot of the frustrations I had and a lot of the anger that I wasn’t really in touch with onto other people. And I think people do this in politics. People do this online. People do this with lots of different issues that are out there in the world at the moment. But once you’ve actually integrated anger into sort of being a daily part of your life, and you’re very comfortable with it, and you’re actually pretty kind of chill with it, and you can have fun with it, but act on it when you need to and all those things, you get a greater sense of balance in how you see the world in general. And that was the lovely surprise for me when I’ve been able to work on anger productively is how much more balance it’s given me in the rest of my emotional life. So I think that’s what having anger on your side feels like most of the time.

Brett McKay: I think this kind of goes into what Aristotle is saying. He’s like, you experience the emotion of anger, then you have to kind of stop and figure out, okay, how can I channel this for the right reasons in the right amount? And even like the more nuanced Stoics had this idea too, that okay, you don’t have any control over the emotions you feel. You can control how you express or respond to that emotion. Any tactics you came across where, okay, you experience the emotion of anger, you feel it flare up, you name it. Any other things that work to sort of give you that space so that you can formulate an appropriate response? Is it the counting to 10 thing or leaving the room? Is that what you do?

Sam Parker: Yeah, so the counting to 10 thing actually is not bad advice per se, or it’s like halfway there. So what is recommended physiologically, if you’re in an argument with your partner, let’s say, and you’ve had the amygdala hijack, you’ve lost your head, somehow between you, you find the wisdom to say, okay, let’s go cool off. They reckon 20 minutes is about the amount of time that you need for your body to kind of reset itself. In that time, rather than rehearse the thing you’re going to say or kind of obsess about why you’ve been hard done by, if you can, you should go and listen to a podcast or read or do something else to try and take your mind off it. That’s the best way to reset yourself physiologically. So that’s one thing. Another thing that I found really useful was this idea of the discomfort caveat, which is where if you do have to have a conversation about something you’re angry about, and you maybe you haven’t quite had the time to calm down yet as much as would be ideal. It’s confessing to the other person at the start of the conversation. And saying, okay, just so I’m angry right now. I might struggle to express myself as clearly as I would like to. 

And then you’re immediately disarming that person. They might be angry with you and you’re kind of setting the conversation on quite an empathic footing, but you’re also not pretending you’re not angry. You’re not betraying your anger. You’re saying, look, it’s there and I’m going to have to get into it, but bear with me. And I think that can be really useful. So there’s definitely tips and things that you can employ to try and help you in the moment. I don’t know if you’ve come across the idea of meta-awareness, that idea of trying to… It’s kind of a mindfulness thing, really. It’s like learning the inner curiosity that you can have with emotions so that when you start to feel angry, you almost immediately try and elevate above that in your consciousness and go, okay, I’m angry right now. You try and almost like third voice it to look at anger from a sort of zoomed out perspective. If you can learn to do that, that can help you in the moment as well, not become so overwhelmed. So there’s definitely techniques out there.

Brett McKay: Yeah. I mean, it’s been interesting to watch my 14 year old son trying to get a handle on his emotions. He’s got hormones coursing through him. So of course you’re feeling big emotions. And the other day he was having… Starting to have like a, he calls it a crash out. I was like, oh, it’s like the dumb teenager stuff. But then I think he had the self-awareness. I was really proud. He was like, I got to go take a walk. So he went for a walk and he came back 10 minutes later and he was just calm and collected and he was able to talk about the situation in a cool, calm, collected way. And it was productive.

Sam Parker: I mean, I have to say, first of all, there’s no chance I could have done that at 14. And secondly, I think that’s about as good an example of good anger that I can think of. I mean, that’s perfect. Go give yourself the time you need, admit to the feeling and then come back and get into it productively. But you don’t want to wait too long that the angers pass completely. That’s the other thing is that you still want to act when the energy is there or it just kind of gets repressed or you lose confidence in it. Was I really… Am I in the right actually? You can start to doubt yourself if you leave it too long. But yeah, I think that sounds like a great example.

Brett McKay: Sam, this has been a great conversation. Where can people go to learn more about the book and your work?

Sam Parker: So I do have a Substack that’s also called Good Anger. The book can be ordered on all the usual places. And yeah, just Good Anger is out now. Thank you for such a great conversation. I’ve really enjoyed it.

Brett McKay: Well, thank you, Sam. I enjoyed it too. My guest here is Sam Parker. He’s the author of the book, Good Anger. It’s available on amazon.com and bookstores everywhere. You can find more information about his work at his Substack, goodanger.substack.com. Also check out our show notes at aom.is/goodanger, where you find links to resources where you can delve deeper into this topic. 

Well, that wraps up another edition of the AoM podcast. Make sure to check out our website at artofmanliness.com where you find our podcast archives. And while you’re there, sign up for the Art of Manliness newsletter. It’s free. We get a daily option and a weekly option. It’s the best way to stay on top of what’s going on at AoM. And if you haven’t done so already, I’d appreciate it if you take one minute to justreview us on Apple Podcast or Spotify. It helps out a lot. And if you’ve done that already, thank you. Please consider sharing the show with a friend or family member who you think would get something out of it. As always, thank you for the continued support. Until next time, it’s Brett McKay, reminding you not only to listen to the AoM podcast, but put what you’ve heard into action. 

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Podcast #1,081: Aristotle’s Art of Self-Persuasion — How to Use Ancient Rhetoric to Change Your Life https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/podcast-1081-aristotles-art-of-self-persuasion-how-to-use-ancient-rhetoric-to-change-your-life/ Tue, 19 Aug 2025 12:35:14 +0000 https://www.artofmanliness.com/?p=190458   The ancient art of rhetoric has shaped political policies, influenced social movements, structured legal arguments, and molded cultural narratives throughout history. It’s been used for three thousand years to persuade other people to change their lives. But what if you could use it to persuade yourself? My guest today says you can. Jay Heinrichs […]

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The ancient art of rhetoric has shaped political policies, influenced social movements, structured legal arguments, and molded cultural narratives throughout history. It’s been used for three thousand years to persuade other people to change their lives.

But what if you could use it to persuade yourself?

My guest today says you can. Jay Heinrichs is the author of Aristotle’s Guide to Self-Persuasion, and he explains how the same rhetorical techniques that great leaders and orators have used for millennia can be turned inward to help you change your life. We discuss how to identify your “soul” as your internal audience, use the concept of kairos to turn chaos into opportunity, create hyperbolic moonshot goals that inspire action even if you fall short, and employ ethos, pathos, and logos to achieve the habits and goals you aspire to. Along the way, we talk about how Jay used these self-leadership tools to go from barely being able to walk to attempting an athletic feat physiologists told him was impossible.

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Brett McKay: Brett McKay here, and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness Podcast. The ancient art of rhetoric has shaped political policies, influenced social movements, structured legal arguments, and molded cultural narratives throughout history. It’s been used for 3,000 years to persuade other people to change their lives. What if you could use it to persuade yourself? My guest today says you can. Jay Heinrichs is the author of Aristotle’s Guide to Self-Persuasion, and he explains how the same rhetorical techniques that great leaders and orators have used for millennia can be turned inward to help you change your life. We discuss how to identify your soul as your internal audience, use the concept of kairos to turn chaos into opportunity, create hyperbolic moonshot goals that inspire action even if you fall short, and employ ethos, pathos, and logos to achieve the habits and goals you aspire to. Along the way, we talk about how Jay used these self-leadership tools to go from barely being able to walk to attempting an athletic feat physiologists told him was impossible. After the show’s over, check out our show notes at aom.is/selfpersuasion. All right, Jay Heinrichs, welcome back to the show.

Jay Heinrichs: Well, thanks, Brett. It’s nice to be back.

Brett McKay: So we had you on the show way back in 2020 to talk about your book, Thank You for Arguing, which is all about reviving the lost art of classical rhetoric to persuade others. You got a new book out, but this time it’s about using Aristotelian rhetoric to persuade ourselves to be better people. And you talk about at the beginning of the book that it was sort of a midlife rut that kickstarted you exploring whether you could use classical rhetoric to improve your life and become a happier person. Tell us about what was going on there.

Jay Heinrichs: Back in my late 50s, I was suffering from this illness that should be familiar to a lot of men our age, middle age and older. I was depressed and I was feeling very sorry for myself in part because I had this physical problem. It’s called snapping hip syndrome. It’s disgusting. The iliotibial band, which is this tendon that stretches from the knee to the hip, was catching on my hip bone on both sides. And what happens when that happens is you fall down. You literally can’t move. And the reason for this tends to be when you get a really tight butt, like your gluteal muscles are contracted all the time and stress can cause that. Sitting down too much can cause it. All kinds of things can. But basically what was causing it was that I was just tight, like all wound up. And so doctors had, we’d talked about surgery and they said maybe I’d be able to walk again afterwards. So that was out. And I tried pills. I tried everything. Nothing was working until one day my doctor said she’d found somebody who would understand me because I didn’t want to just be able to walk normally again.

I was able to walk with a limp, but then my hips would catch and I’d fall down again and not be able to walk at all. This guy had a new procedure who might be able to fix me. But I thought that wasn’t enough because in order to do the incredibly painful physical therapy, I wanted to do something more than just being able to walk. And I had been a trail runner back through my 30s and 40s, not a great athlete, but an enthusiastic one. And so I thought, how can I possibly talk myself into doing all that it would take? And my wife came up with this idea, which was to persuade myself. She had mentioned the work I’d been doing with clients. I’d worked with NASA, with Harvard fundraisers. And she said, “Have you thought about persuading yourself for once?” I hadn’t, but my wife is really smart. I do everything she says. And so I gave it a shot. I made that attempt.

Brett McKay: Okay, so you’re gonna get a treatment for your snapping hip syndrome. And this treatment, it involves getting a lot of painful injections. It’s very unpleasant. And then you have to do some arduous physical therapy on top of that. And you decide, if I’m gonna be doing all that, I wanna push myself not only to walk again, but to run again. So you’ve got this big challenge ahead of you and to convince yourself to take it on and stick with it, you decide to persuade yourself to do it. And at the beginning of the book, you say this bold statement, that if you’re going to improve yourself, get a little bit better in your life, whether you want to accomplish some goal you have or overcome some obstacle, the master key is self-persuasion. Why do you think self-persuasion is the master key for us to make changes in our lives?

Jay Heinrichs: When you think about it, in order to make a change, you have to do something. And usually that means changing your habits, right? Getting rid of the bad ones and acquiring new ones. And Aristotle was the philosopher of habit. His books, almost all of them talk about habits and how to do that. Why? Because habits put you on autopilot. You don’t have to make choices whether or not to exercise if you simply do it every day. I mean, you think about it, if you floss every day, that’s a lot easier than deciding whether you want to floss in one particular day, which is, when you think about it, kind of disgusting, right? And tedious, going in between every two teeth. The same thing works with diet or exercise or practicing a new instrument or learning a new language. All these things that make a change in your life for the better require a lot of discipline, a lot of motivation. And where do you get the discipline and motivation unless you can talk yourself into doing it? And that’s where persuasion comes in. So the idea my wife had was, what if I could use those tools of persuasion on audiences in general or markets, all the work I’d been doing over the decades, and applying them toward myself to gain these habits that will allow me to make the change I wanted? That’s what this is all about.

Brett McKay: Yeah, I’ve noticed in my own life, any change I’ve made, it’s because I actually wanted it. Like I convinced myself this is what I need to do. And we can convince ourselves with the tools of rhetoric that people like Aristotle wrote about 2000 years ago. So let’s talk about some of this stuff. So typically when we think of rhetoric, it’s about persuading an audience. When we’re persuading ourselves, we’re the audience. But what exactly does that mean? Like what part of ourselves is doing the persuading? What part of ourselves is the audience?

Jay Heinrichs: Yeah, what is the audience when you’re the person doing the manipulation and at the same time the one being manipulated? So this was a big problem. I mean, when my wife said, “Why don’t you persuade yourself?” My first reaction was, well, how can I be the rhetorician and the audience at the same time? So I did a deep dive into Aristotle, reading books I really hadn’t gone into in the past. And I came across this really weird little book titled On the Soul. And so the way Aristotle describes it, your soul is this ideal version of yourself. It’s the person you wish you saw in the mirror. So you think of what’s an ideal Boy Scout, and I was a pretty unsuccessful Boy Scout myself, but I still remember what a Boy Scout is supposed to be. See if I can just from the top of my head.

Brett McKay: Yeah, it’s the Scout law, right?

Jay Heinrichs: Is that what it is? So a Boy Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. That almost duplicates what Aristotle wrote about as the ideal soul. It’s like the ideal Boy Scout. It’s not who you are, but it’s the soul that represents your best self as opposed to your daily self that eats Dunkin’ Donuts or whatever. So the question is, how do you find that soul? You know, where is it? One philosopher claimed to locate the soul. He said it’s in your pituitary gland. But a better way to do it, a more useful way to find your own soul, is to separate your wants from your truest needs. Separate your wants from your needs. This is what Aristotle tells us to do. So our daily self wants things, but those things make us fatter or less healthy, or simply, you know, flatters our ego. We take a job because we think it’s prestigious, and even though we know it will make us miserable. Your soul is telling you, “No, don’t do that,” whereas your daily self is saying, “I’m going to take this because then people will respect me.

Your soul, because it can be such a nag if you really pay attention to it, thinking, what do I really need? What is it that’s important to me? That can be pretty annoying. I mean, when I was working on my own soul or discovering it, I kind of wished my soul would do something stupid and embarrass itself in front of strangers, you know, the way I do. But my soul is my audience, and my job is to convince myself that I’m worthy of that audience. Like, I’ll show it. I really can live up to it. And I found that to be a really powerful tool because it allowed me to use all the other tools of rhetoric, sort of thinking of my soul as an extension of me or maybe something that’s deeply internal to me, but something that’s a little different from my daily self. And that way, I had an audience I could persuade.

Brett McKay: Okay, so make sure I understand this. The daily self is the audience and your soul is the persuader, or is it the opposite?

Jay Heinrichs: It’s the opposite. So your daily self is the one every day that tries to prove you’re worthy of your soul. So, if you’re about to skip a workout, say, you say to yourself, “What’s my soul going to think?” Because I need to convince it that I have the kind of character that’s worthy of it. And at the same time, there are other things you can do to sort of manipulate the soul, and I’m hoping we can get into that. And those are the tools of ethos, pathos, and logos.

Brett McKay: I love that. So you’re looking for a way to help yourself admire yourself, in a way.

Jay Heinrichs: Exactly. And when you’re helping yourself admire yourself, that admiring self is your soul. It’s your better you. It’s like the really, the coolest, most awesome, impressive part of you that deep down is who you truly are.

Brett McKay: Okay, so your soul is the best part of yourself. That’s your audience, and your day-to-day self is the persuader. And you want to use your day-to-day self to persuade your soul that you’re worthy of it. And one rhetorical tactic that’s inspired by the ancient Greeks that can help us persuade ourselves is this idea of kairos. It’s K-A-I-R-O-S. What’s kairos?

Jay Heinrichs: Kairos is so cool. And it’s funny that so few people study it. I kind of hope they’ll start. So kairos is what helps you determine what your goals are and what your big achievements are going to be. So kairos is the art of opportunity. And it’s a way of interpreting the most chaotic moments in their lives. Now, I think we’re going through, as the world and nation in particular, we’re going through a very chaotic time. We don’t know what’s going to happen. Things are very confusing. Pure chaos. Now, what’s interesting is the ancient Greeks and Romans actually saw chaos as an opening. So a kairotic moment is this time of crisis, this chaotic moment. Those who can keep their heads can push through this opening, this gap. And in fact, the original kaos in Greek, where we get chaos from, means gap. It doesn’t mean horror. It means something that just is something you need to go through. And if you look at great moments in history or great inventions in technology, they tend to happen at the most chaotic times. And in rhetoric, that’s called the kairotic times. It’s the best time to take action.

So now where Aristotle comes in on all this is in his theory of rhetoric. So one way to understand kairos is to think in terms of the tenses. So, and Aristotle described the rhetoric of each tense, past, present, and future. So the past tense, if you’re thinking about chaos and kairotic times, like the time we’re in right now, we tend to think about going back to the past and somehow restoring the better days. But the past tense also has to do with crime and punishment. Like who made this happen? And they should be punished. What went wrong? Who’s to blame? Now that can be useful. It’s not entirely something to ignore. But then also people use the present tense, which is all about values, what’s right and wrong, who’s good and who’s bad. So we tend to attack people who are the bad people who caused all the things, the bad things we think are happening today. And Aristotle actually said, “If you want to make a change in your own life, as well as in the world, you need to focus on the future.” And Aristotle called this kind of rhetoric that focuses on the future, deliberative rhetoric.

So you’ve got the past, the present, and the future. Which is going to actually fix things? That’s what you need to focus on. And so I tell a story in my previous book, Thank You for Arguing, about how my son George, when he was 15, used up all the toothpaste in the bathroom. And when I blamed him, he was making fun of me because he had heard me lecture about rhetoric at the dinner table for years. But he said, when I yelled at him saying, “Who used up all the toothpaste?” He said, “That’s not the point, is it, Dad? The point is, how are we going to keep this from happening again?” Now see what he was doing? He was switching the tense from the past tense, crime and punishment, to the future tense. How are we going to fix things? And by the way, if you’re ever in trouble for something, or someone blames you for something, or calls you a name or whatever, you can say, “Call me whatever you want, or I may or may not have screwed up, but how are we going to fix things?” That’s deliberative rhetoric. And in a time of chaos, these kairotic moments, when we have a tendency to panic, return to the old days, or get angry at people, deliberative rhetoric lets us say, “How are we going to fix things?

How can I use this time to make things better, or to get better myself?” And so back in my own kairotic moment, when I was having this late midlife crisis, my aging body, and this depression I was in, I found very confusing. This doesn’t seem to be me. Deliberative rhetoric and this idea of kairos made me reframe the situation. I thought, I’m not drowning in a whirlpool. Maybe I’m looking at a gap. And the question is, how do I get through to the other side of that gap?

Brett McKay: I love that. So yeah, instead of thinking about, “Oh, if I could only just go back to when I was 30 or 40, or what happened? What could I have done differently?” Using that past tense in this kairotic moment you had, you thought, you focused on the future. What can I do now? What can I do to make things better?

Jay Heinrichs: Exactly. And it’s a great way to understand what the situation really is without getting all panicky and negative about it. And yeah, if I wanted to go back and be a not-so-awesome 30-year-old, it’s, in a way, thinking about this kairotically in terms of navigating some gap. You know, the gap was between my youth and old age. And what gets me through that is being an awesome old guy.

Brett McKay: And so anyone can use this. So let’s say you’re a guy and you’re in a job that’s just making you miserable. You can see this instead of like, it’s just terrible. It’s like, this is a moment of kairos. This is an opportunity to exercise my ability to harness the future, like exercise my ability to improvise and take action.

Jay Heinrichs: Right. And one way to do that is if you’re thinking in terms of gaps, what exactly are the gaps? First of all, what’s making you most unhappy at work? Can you fix that while remaining in the same job? And if you can’t, what are the solutions? And the other thing is, what’s blocking you? What’s blocking you from getting another job? What’s blocking you from fixing the things that make you unhappy at work? So you think in terms of obstacles, the obstacles don’t necessarily prevent you because there’s always some space between them. That’s what chaos is all about. And kairos allows you not just to choose where the gaps are, but when’s the best time to act.

Brett McKay: So another rhetorical tool you talk about that we can use to persuade others, but we can maybe use to persuade ourselves, are tropes. I want to talk about a specific trope here in a bit, hyperbole, but just generally, what is a rhetorical trope?

Jay Heinrichs: A trope is anything that plays pretend. I mean, if you see it that way, it pretends something is not exactly what it is. So a metaphor is the most common trope. If I say, “The moon is a balloon,” you know the moon is not some inflatable bit of rubber, but it’s like one. And so if I say it is one, you start seeing the moon a little bit differently. You think about it floating. There’s a lot of unconscious brain work that goes on if somebody uses a metaphor. Then there’s other metaphors like irony, where you pretend to be serious when you’re saying something else. I mean, every teenager uses irony when somebody drops a tray in the cafeteria and they yell, “Nice,” as if they’re complimenting the person. I mean, the Southerners, especially Southern women, will say, “Bless her heart,” you know, not exactly praising. So those are what tropes do. They pretend one thing while actually meaning another, and they can actually change people’s whole views of reality.

Brett McKay: Okay. So one trope that you used is hyperbole. Before we talk about how you used it on yourself, hyperbole on yourself, what are some examples of great rhetoricians using hyperbole in their speeches?

Jay Heinrichs: Oh, my gosh. So hyperbole is the trope of exaggeration, where you say something is bigger or more important or tinier, for that matter, than what it really is in real life, and then pretend that that exaggeration is a true thing. So if you look at every great successful revolution of every kind, they start with a hyperbole. I mean, you think about, well, the American Revolution, this gaggle of British colonies, not all of whom got along all that well with each other, decided that they were going to push off the greatest military power in the world, the United Kingdom, and at the same time create a brand new political system that everybody around the world will someday imitate. That is totally hyperbolic. So when you think about it, all the great visionaries were hyperbolists. Think of Apple Computer. That arose out of this crazy hyperbole that people would have their own personal computers at a time when massive mainframes and terminals maybe in everybody’s home was the vision of the day. So, you think about that. If you ever want to do something amazingly great, first you have to sort of believe in the impossible, and that by definition is a hyperbole, if you can get people to believe it. That’s a trope.

Brett McKay: Another famous hyperbole, JFK’s moonshot speech, “We choose to go to the moon in this decade,” because we had just put someone into space, and the idea we’re going to get someone on the moon, that’s big. 

Jay Heinrichs: In a decade.

Brett McKay: Yeah.

Jay Heinrichs: That is like, and we didn’t even have the technology to do that. Yeah, I mean, that’s brilliant. It’s a good, and you know, part of that speech that’s really interesting is he said, “We’re going to do this and do the other hard things,” he said. What’s really interesting about that is one way I started thinking about the hyperbole is if you have this grand moonshot goal, it actually helps you think about all the other hard things. It makes you believe you can do the other hard things as well, even if you’re failing at that one goal. I mean, imagine if we didn’t reach the moon in 1970, but it took a few years more. Even then, we would have been so far ahead in technology and beating the pants off the Soviet Union and all that good stuff that it would make us believe we could do other things. And the fact is we did achieve it, and it made us believe in all the other things as well, that we could do the hard things in general.

Brett McKay: So how did you use hyperbole in your quest to maybe overcome your snapping hip syndrome?

Jay Heinrichs: The etymology of hyperbole comes from two Greek words, hyper, which means above or beyond, and bállō, which means to throw. So bállō is actually where we get the English word ball. So hyperbole literally translated means to throw beyond. A hyperbole throws beyond actuality, which is kind of this amazing work in the imagination, but it’s more than that. And I thought personally, in my case, what if I created my own like capital H hyperbole? I would create an image of myself as this record-breaking athlete. Now, I never was a great athlete. I was an enthusiastic outdoorsman at best. But I would prove, you know, even though I couldn’t walk well and it looked like my condition may worsen to the point where I’d be in a wheelchair, I would prove my hyperbole by being the first person over 50 to run his age up this classic mountain here where I live in New Hampshire. Olympic skiers had been using it for years to test their fitness. Only a dozen people had ever run their age, which means reaching the top of this mountain in fewer minutes than their olden years. And I’d be the first old person to do it, the first over 50.

Never mind the fact that doctors had told me I’d never run again. And two physiologists told me that even if I were a good old athlete, they thought it was physically impossible to do because of the amount of oxygenation you need to have in order to run up this very steep, difficult mountain in fewer minutes than I was old in years. And that was to be my hyperbole. This was what was going to get me to do all the painful training over that time. But so just to make this clear, that was my hyperbole. But what I suggest to readers of the book is that this isn’t a fitness book. It’s about creating your own hyperbole, to create something exciting, some crazy big goal, with the idea that even if you fail to achieve it, you’re still way ahead. It’s this great motivational technique. So, imagine giving a speech in a foreign language. Instead of just learning the language, going someplace and delivering this scary talk, or learning to play the guitar and then busking performing on the streets of Manhattan, or learning to cook, and not just cooking a decent meal, but serving haute cuisine to a whole bunch of snobs to raise money for a good cause or something. Those are all hyperboles. And my book actually offers kind of a technique to come up with your own.

Brett McKay: I love that idea of creating a moonshot for yourself because it can be inspiring, and you might reach it. You reach it great, but I think the benefit is it’ll get you to do those things that are good for you. Along the way, you’ll be better for even just attempting that big moonshot hyperbole goal.

Jay Heinrichs: Exactly.

Brett McKay: Yeah, I think that’s a cool tactic. We’re going to take a quick break for your word from our sponsors. And now back to the show. So let’s talk about another way you used Aristotle’s ideas of rhetoric on yourself. I think we talked about this last time in our last conversation about rhetoric. It’s the three means of persuasion. We got ethos, pathos, and logos. Let’s talk about ethos first, because Aristotle thought that was the most powerful, most important one. Recap, what is ethos? And then talk about how did you use that means of persuasion on yourself?

Jay Heinrichs: So Aristotle’s ethos is your projected character. It’s what people think of you, or it’s your brand. It’s whether your audience likes and trusts you. And this is why Aristotle thought it was most powerful, because if you like and totally trust somebody, you’re really likely to basically do what they say. That’s your leader. So now the ideal ethos, Aristotle says, three characteristics. And of course, he said them in Greek, but I translated them from the Greek and simplified them as what I call craft, caring, and cause. So first comes craft. You want your audience to think you know what you’re doing. You have the knowledge and the experience to solve whatever problem there is at hand. That’s craft. The caring part of it means your audience thinks you have only their best interest at heart. You’re selfless. You’re totally not selfish. It’s all about them. Then there’s cause, which has to do with values, with your audience believing you share those same values and that you live up to them. You’re a good person, right? You have a good soul. Now, when it comes to how I persuaded myself, that audience, as we talked about earlier, is my very own Aristotelian soul.

And my job was to convince that soul that I have an ethos that’s worthy of it, that I have the craft, that I knew how to get in shape and knew how to develop the habits, that I was selfless about it. This wasn’t about what I wanted from day to day. I wanted to read books with a cat in my lap. That’s what I really wanted. But my need was deeper. I wanted to be able to run my age. And then came the cause part, what I deeply valued. And that’s what connected me most closely with my soul. And that was the biggest secret of all, this idea that I was projecting a worthy ethos to my soul that allowed me not just to create these habits and believe in them that they could actually work, but to stick to them from day to day.

Brett McKay: Yeah. One of the tools you use to do that is decorum, correct?

Jay Heinrichs: Yeah. So decorum is how you make your audience think you’re one of them. And actually several days a week during the school year, I talk to high school and college classes and law school classes. And I talk to students whose classes have adopted my books. Now, the problem I have is that my children are older than these teachers now. And so how do I make people believe I’m one of them? And so there are certain techniques you can do. One is to understand their language, not necessarily use every word of it. But the most important thing I tell people is say before you talk to any kind of audience, “I’m going to love these people.” And projecting love, believe it or not, which honors your audience and makes you thrilled to be with them, makes you appear thrilled to be with them, actually works. So now how do you do that with your own soul? I decided that the most important thing was to try to love my soul as much as I could. And I know this is getting a little squirrely here, but really what it comes down to is another tool of rhetoric that Aristotle describes in many of his books, which is this idea of phylos.

And phylos is this idea of ultimate friendship, of being willing to do whatever it takes for the other person. And that’s partly what caring is, but it’s also about what decorum is. So decorum is this idea that you’re one of them, you’re very close to them, and you’ll do anything for them. So if you think of your soul as like your very best friend, and you’ll do anything for it, and you know at the same time your soul will back you up at any time and forgive you for these temporary lapses, which are inevitable, then that’s decorum. That’s acting as if you’re part of the tribe, with you and your soul the only members.

Brett McKay: And it sounds like one thing that you might need to do if your day-to-day self isn’t there to where your soul self is at yet, is fake it. Like if you want to be healthy, think of yourself as an athlete, but you’re not there right now. Just do athlete things. And then your soul will be like, “Oh, hey, this guy, this guy’s trying. Like he’s trying to be me here, and I’m gonna like this guy.”

Jay Heinrichs: Oh yeah. So weightlifters describe this phenomenon. It’s a joke, but they call it Invisible Lat Syndrome. So your back muscles from a whole lot of pull-ups get a little bit bigger. So you walk around as if they’re 10 times the size they are with your arms out as if you’re a well-armed policeman or something. So walking around like that actually can convince you. And one of the things that I found myself doing, this is faking until you make it, but it’s also a kind of decorous act. It’s pretending I’m so close to my soul, I’m already there. And that was, I would, when I still found it a little bit difficult walking after this procedure this doctor gave me, which was weeks long and involved a lot of very painful shots to flood the zone of my nervous system so that my gluteal muscles will stop contracting. I still was walking with kind of a limp. So I turned it into a sort of swagger. So I walked around as if I was like this really cool athlete instead of this old guy with a limp. And eventually as I overcame the limp itself, in the meantime, my brain had changed and I really kind of believed that I was capable of being more of an athlete than I was in reality. So that’s faking until you make it, but it’s also getting close to my soul, like what my soul really wanted to think of myself as.

Brett McKay: You know who I think did this? Ernest Hemingway. So I’m watching that Ken Burns documentary on Hemingway. And one thing I’m watching about right now is how Hemingway, there’s like this myth around Hemingway, but he created that myth. Like he had this idea of like ideal Hemingway. And then I think he tried to do the things that ideal Hemingway would do. And I think it got him into trouble, but I think that’s what he was doing. He had this ideal of himself, his best self, and then he tried to do those things, whether that was hunting in Africa, boxing, just doing all those manly Ernest Hemingway things.

Jay Heinrichs: That is such a great example. And so in rhetoric, there’s this term called actio, which is Latin for acting. And it means acting in both senses of the word. It means playing pretend, like you’re acting a part, but also means action. So to project a certain character before you take an action allows yourself to sort of play a role that then you try to take on in real life. And Hemingway is a brilliant example of that.

Brett McKay: Okay, so we talked about ethos. Let’s talk about the next means of persuasion, which is pathos. What is pathos? And then how did you use it on yourself?

Jay Heinrichs: So pathos has to do with emotion. And in rhetoric, it has to do with your ability to change your audience’s mood. So there are lots of tools doing that. And one that worked really well for me. So by the way, to change my mood from depressed loser to like aspiring athlete and optimist. One of the things that I found that really worked was self-deprecating humor. And instead of telling myself what a loser I was every time I failed at something or made a mistake, I learned to laugh at those mistakes and sort of forced myself to do it until I did it naturally. And I actually, this is still working for me. The other day, I was asked to do a favor for a friend. I live on 150 acres and I cut a lot of my own firewood. So I’m pretty good with a chainsaw. And so this guy asked me if I would cut down a cherry tree at his condo development. So cherry trees are awful to cut down. They lean in all directions and you never know which way the damn thing’s gonna fall. And here it is, if this tree fell the wrong 

Way, it would crash through a stranger’s glass door on the ground floor. So, and of course I’m cutting this thing. I made a big mistake in the angle I was cutting and my chainsaw got stuck. And I’d forgotten to bring my ax and the other tools you need like wedges to get your chainsaw unstuck. Anyway, so the chainsaw was simply stuck. I live 40 minutes away. I didn’t have time to go back and get the other tools. So I drove home, leaving the chainsaw embarrassingly in the tree so that everybody in this condo development could see some idiot had left a chainsaw in a tree that was partly cut. That night it got windy and the tree fell, missing this glass door by like two inches. I mean, it was right there with a chainsaw still sticking out of it in the worst possible way so everybody could see it. I came back the next day with my ax and my wedges and got the chainsaw out and cut the tree up and everything was fine. Now, before I started practicing the rhetoric on myself, I would have said, “You can never face these people again.

Just leave the chainsaw there and buy a new one.” And instead I thought, this is just a sort of idiotic thing you do, Jay. And the great thing is you always fix it. So I laughed, I went back and fixed it and I kind of felt better for it. And nobody in the condo, they were very kind people. They watched me as I cut up the tree and nobody was laughing at me. God bless them all.

Brett McKay: Another example of a famous person who maybe they were using pathos on themselves and they just didn’t know it, FDR, Franklin Roosevelt. So we all know he had polio. He couldn’t walk, he was in a wheelchair. And I remember reading a biography about him. And when he was in his braces, he would often fall down, especially on like slick marble floor because the metal would just scrape and he would just fall down. And instead of engaging in self-pity and just like, “Oh, I’m such an idiot.” He just acted like it wasn’t a big deal. And he kind of kept that smile on his face and he’d say, “Hey, can someone help me up here?” Like people knew that he couldn’t walk, but he just had that big grin and just exuded levity and confidence.

Jay Heinrichs: Yeah. And so, you know, it’s interesting. You see the same thing in toddlers. Where, you know, a two-year-old falls down, which happens often, and scrapes their knee or whatever. And you always see this moment where the toddler looks around at the adults, especially the parent, and sees their reaction first. And if the parent looks horrified or rushes, “Oh my gosh, my baby is hurt,” the kid will cry. And when, I’m not sure this shows good parenting on my part, but when my two children were toddlers, when they fell down and there’d be that moment, a kind of kairotic moment when you think about it, like what’s the action to take here? I would quick look at the concrete or the floor or the ground, whatever, and I’d check and see if it was okay, which would make the kid angry more often than not, but much less rarely cry. Their mother would come rushing to them and they would always cry. And there’s something about doing that to yourself where are you going to be the one who sort of jokingly checks the floor or are you going to be the one who immediately thinks, this is awful?

And that’s a way to change your mood. Now, there’s another tool I have to talk about, which is actually more effective, which is repeating the same things over and over again, to have an expression when you’re in a bad mood that improves your mood. And this is where those cheesy affirmations, the stuff they used to sell, like eight track tapes for you to play in your car.

Brett McKay: Oh yeah, like Stuart Smalley, I’m good enough, I’m smart enough and gosh darn it, people like me. 

Jay Heinrichs: Yeah. And you know what? I mean, there are ways to do that. And I’m hoping we can talk about a way to use a particular rhythm to do that, which rhetoricians invented many, many years ago. But the big thing is repeating them. And there’s something that neurobiologists and neurologists have discovered, which is there’s a part of your brain, see if I can remember the term, the ventromedial prefrontal cortex. That’s a part of your brain that actually controls our view of reality. And it also is very responsive to repetition. So if you repeat things often enough, or if you see things often enough on social media, even if they’re untrue, you start to believe them. It becomes your reality. And it’s that part of your brain, the ventromedial prefrontal cortex, that actually starts changing the world for you. And actually repeating these stupid affirmations to yourself stops making them seem stupid if you repeat them often enough, and it becomes your idea of reality. And you can do it in very specific ways that actually change the way you see things happening around you and see the way you’re actually behaving. Now, so beyond that and what we call affirmations today, in the old days, they called charms, which were expressions that actually made magic happen.

And so to this day, you can find, people dig up all the time these leaden objects with expressions written on them that would cure people or curse people, whatever. These were charms, but they were really repeated things. You were supposed to say them over and over again, and it becomes your idea of reality. You could make magic happen. You repeated things often enough that would change reality. And rhetoric does the same thing by changing your brain. Now, there’s another factor here in terms of pathos, and that is you can actually make yourself into a kind of charm. And Aristotle wrote about this. The perfect ethos actually has a magical effect on an audience, which is charisma. And the word charisma comes from the Greek word for charm. So a charming person originally meant someone who had sort of a magical effect on people. And you see that with some Hollywood actors or when politicians like JFK or Martin Luther King, they were seen often enough in a perfect kind of character, at least according to their followers, enough that people changed the way they saw them and saw reality as a result. Those are the most powerful tools of pathos have to do with charms and repetition.

Brett McKay: So you mentioned there’s a specific way you can formulate those mantras or charms that make them more effective. What is that way?

Jay Heinrichs: Well, there’s something called the paen, P-A-E-N, which originally was a god that would protect soldiers from harm in ancient times. So when they would run in a battle, they would pray to the goddess paen. So they realized that if you do this with a certain rhythm, and actually, Marcus Tullius Cicero, this ancient orator and one of the great rhetoricians, wrote about this. If you repeat it with a series of short and long syllables, that becomes that much more effective. It’s more convincing. There’s something in the brain that’s not fully understood yet, I think someday it will be, that allows you to do this. So in Homer, he used paens a lot, like golden-haired far shooter, son of Zeus. And you repeat that often enough, and you really believe that this was a real character. Now, you can see that in basketball games in the Ivy League. People will be chanting, “Repel them, repel them, make them relinquish the ball,” which is silly. But on the other hand, it has this particular rhythm that actually works. So these charms that people dig up actually had these same rhythms on it, these paen rhythms.

So I use them myself, and I repeat them over and over again. And these rhythms become memorable. And so my own posture tends to be terrible. So I tell myself all the time, head on a swivel, not in my lap. That’s short and long rhythms with this kind of convincing way. When I was running up this mountain, this mountain Moosilauk in New Hampshire to try to run my age, in training for that, I repeat things to myself like, “My legs love rocks. I flow up rocks.” And stupid as that was, my brain changed to the point where my legs were loving rocks, which are the most horrible thing in the world. I mean, these were boulders I was running up. And I actually was convincing myself that I wasn’t kind of hopping in a weird, unrhythmic way. I was flowing up those rocks. That’s where the peon comes in.

Brett McKay: All right, so come up with your own charm by using a paen. So it starts with like a long sentence and a short sentence? Is that like the rhythm you want? 

Jay Heinrichs: A long And short phrase and syllables. It’s short syllables and long syllables. You don’t have to be too precise about it. But marketers have used this all the time. I mean, the New York Times came up with the first great paen logos. All the news that fit to print. That long and short syllables that convinced people that this was a newspaper of record. And Lay’s potato chips. Bet you can’t eat just one. The quicker picker upper for Bounty Towels. I could go on.

Brett McKay: No, okay. I love that.

Jay Heinrichs: But it convinced people. It made billions for marketers and companies.

Brett McKay: Yeah, so find one for yourself and repeat it to yourself, even though it might seem silly. It can work.

Jay Heinrichs: Yeah, and part of this is talking about mood. Do it ironically in the beginning. Like smile while you do it, because it’s going to be stupid. And then repeat it often enough that it’s not stupid. I mean, another thing about irony we’re talking about. Irony is another trope. Whenever I completed these horrible workouts I had to do, I was working out four to six hours a day in order to get myself into condition where I could run my age up this mountain. My wife, bless her, would always ask me how it went. And instead of saying, “It sucked, what do you think?” I would say, “Refreshing,” ironically. And, you know, after a while, I never truly believed my workouts, I still don’t, are refreshing. Part of me kind of thought they’re not so bad, they actually make me feel better in the long run.

Brett McKay: Okay, so we talked about pathos. Let’s talk about logos. That’s logic. So what is Aristotelian logos? Because it’s not how we think it is. I think typically we think of logos has got to be these iron clad arguments, no fallacies. Aristotle didn’t think that when it comes to logos.

Jay Heinrichs: No, not when it comes to rhetorical logos, which isn’t pure logic, in fact, it can be the opposite. You know, fallacies can actually convince people, but even as formal logic has confused people for centuries.

Brett McKay: Oh man, there’s a period I went through Aristotle’s like works Nicomachean Ethics is great, metaphysics, interesting, and then I get to his book about syllogisms. I’m like, oh, just started snoring. This was not fun.

Jay Heinrichs: Oh God, topics, even worse.

Brett McKay: Yeah.

Jay Heinrichs: You know, even Sherlock Holmes gets it wrong, gets Aristotelian logic wrong. He talks all the time about using deduction to solve crimes when he’s actually using induction, which is a kind of logic that gathers facts and uses them to make a conclusion. And actually, I talk about formal logic that way because actually Aristotelian logic can let us deal with this firehose of information and fake news that comes to us through our devices. Aristotle taught us how to interpret facts and determine their value and reach conclusions without getting all emotional about it. And that can actually help in terms of improving your mood and not think that everything in the world is going entirely wrong. But using illogic to convince yourself to do the habits your soul tells you you need to do can work even better. So some fallacies I found work great on me. One of the best was the fallacy of antecedent, which has to do with, if something has always been done this way, it always will be. Or if something went well, it always will be. Or if something has always gone wrong, it always will.

So I happen to be an absolute master, and I don’t mean to brag, but nobody’s better, at least in my household of two people, at loading the dishwasher. I am brilliant at it. My wife is terrible. I swear she stands back and throws dishes into the thing. It’s hurt our marriage slightly, but now I’m the dishwasher loader and she’s allowed me to do it. But here’s the thing, this leads to a second fallacy, which is the false analogy. So I’m good at loading the dishwasher. Therefore, I’m brilliant at organization and problem solving. Because I can load the dishwasher, I could probably run a corporation, right? Same thing. So this is a fallacy. But that same kind of combination of things, I’m really good at this one thing. Now think of an analogy, however far away from that, that lets you overcome imposter syndrome or convince yourself you’re qualified to apply for a job that might otherwise seem above your station. So these fallacies can really work, again, if you repeat them often enough that you actually believe in them.

Brett McKay: Okay, so with logos, we’re gonna use logical fallacies for a positive end, convincing ourselves that we can do something, our moonshot goal that we have.

Jay Heinrichs: Exactly. And so that’s the thing, that moonshot goal, if you do it, if you set it up right, is impossible. So it’s fallacious logic or illogic that convinces you that you can even do it. Because if it is literally impossible, you won’t be able to do it. But to believe that it’s impossible and then to believe you can do it, that’s the greatest kind of fallacy.

Brett McKay: So we’ve talked about some of the rhetorical tools in your book, there’s a lot more. But I’m curious, how did your experiment go in using rhetoric and self-persuasion in overcoming this snapping hip syndrome you had?

Jay Heinrichs: Well, so I decided I would make the actual attempt on one day, my 58th birthday, August 27th.

Brett McKay: That’s Kairos.

Jay Heinrichs: That’s Kairos, very good. That was my one opportunity. I was gonna do it or I was gonna fail. And I deliberately, to test the tool, this whole experiment was to test the tools, to see if they would work, what would work, what didn’t. And I thought putting as much pressure on myself as possible would be one way to test the tools. And so one day, my birthday. Besides, when I turned 58, that gave me an additional minute to run my age, which meant running it in less than 58 minutes. So I’d have another minute. And for every minute less than 58 that it took me to make it to the summit, I would declare myself that much younger in years. So when you think about it, it makes as much sense as declaring your age in terms of number of years. So to prepare for that day, I had spent nine months in training, four to six hours a day, after this horrible procedure with this orthopedist who injected me with these hundreds of shots of dextrose, sugar water, to flood my nerves with pain. So I did everything I could with all these things of rhetoric.

And then on that one day, at 6 o’clock in the morning, I was at the trailhead of this mountain, 3.7 miles, 2,800 feet of elevation up these very slick rocks with a river running in waterfalls down beside it. Very difficult kind of run. And the conditions were bad. It was way too warm and humid. And the older you get, the harder it is for your body to deal with heat and to allow yourself to oxygenate. And the whole way up, I didn’t look at my watch the entire time. When I got to the summit and I hit the button on my watch, I didn’t even look then. I just realized it didn’t matter so much what my time was, whether I’d gotten younger by running my age or not. I discovered, and this is absolutely true. I know this sounds self-helpish, but it’s true. I was happier than I’d been in years. And that effect has lasted ever since. And this is years later. It’s taken me a long time to do the research to complete this book. But the rhetoric itself had worked. And when I looked at my watch, I then discovered, well, I won’t tell you. It’s going to be a mystery, you have to read the book.

Brett McKay: This is awesome. So it sounds like you can use Aristotle’s rhetoric to persuade yourself. So we encourage people to go check out your book. So where can people go to learn more about the book and your work?

Jay Heinrichs: Well, I have a Substack newsletter. If you look up my name, you’ll find it. It tells all about the tools of rhetoric and self-persuasion. But I also have a website called ArgueLab, all one word, arguelab.com. 

Brett McKay: Fantastic. Well, Jay Heinrichs, thanks for the time. It’s been a pleasure. 

Jay Heinrichs: Brett, this is a real pleasure. Thank you.

Brett McKay: My guest today was Jay Heinrichs. He’s the author of the book Aristotle’s Guide to Self-Persuasion. It’s available on amazon.com and bookstores everywhere. You can find more information about his work at his website, jayheinrichs.com. Also check out our show notes at aom.is/self-persuasion, where you find links to resources we delve deeper into this topic. Well, that wraps up another edition of the AOM Podcast. Make sure to check out our website at artofmanliness.com, where you find our podcast archives, as well as thousands of articles that we’ve written over the years about pretty much anything you think of. And if you haven’t done so already, I’d appreciate it if you take one minute to give us an email on podcast or Spotify. It helps out a lot. And if you’ve done that already, thank you. Please consider sharing the show with a friend or family member if you think we’re something out of it. As always, thank you for the continued support. Until next time, this is Brett McKay. Remind you to listen to the AOM Podcast, but put what you’ve heard into action.

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Podcast #1,075: Tame the Dopamine Drive — How to Stop Chasing and Start Living https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/taming-molecule-of-more-dopamine/ Wed, 09 Jul 2025 19:25:45 +0000 https://www.artofmanliness.com/?p=190156   All the neurochemicals in the brain have to do with life in the present. Except for one: dopamine. Dopamine is the one neurochemical that looks to the future. It anticipates what may be to come and drives you towards it. That can be a good thing — dopamine is one powerful motivator — but it also has its downsides. Here […]

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All the neurochemicals in the brain have to do with life in the present. Except for one: dopamineDopamine is the one neurochemical that looks to the future. It anticipates what may be to come and drives you towards it.

That can be a good thing — dopamine is one powerful motivator — but it also has its downsides. Here to help us understand how the most important chemical in the brain works and how to deal with its pitfalls is Michael Long. Michael is a trained physicist turned writer whose latest book is Taming the Molecule of More. Mike and I discuss how dopamine, for better and worse, makes you want what you don’t have. He shares what causes low dopamine activity, how to know if you’re experiencing it, and what increases dopamine. We then talk about how to deal with the consequences of dopamine in some of the scenarios in which it plays a role — like losing the spark in a relationship and getting stuck in a smartphone scroll habit — and why so much of taming dopamine comes down to living in the here and now. We end our conversation with why The Great Gatsby is really a novel about dopamine and the fundamental answer to not letting the dopamine chase lead you around.

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Brett McKay: Brett McKay here. And welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness podcast. All the neurochemicals in the brain have to do with life in the present, except for one. Dopamine. Dopamine is the one neurochemical that looks to the future. It anticipates what may be to come, and drives you towards it. That can be a good thing. Dopamine is one powerful motivator, but it also has its downsides. Here to help us understand how the most important chemical in the brain works, and how to deal with it’s pitfalls is, Michael Long. Michael is a trained physicist turned writer whose latest book is, “Taming the Molecule of More” Mike and I discuss how dopamine, for better and worse, makes you want what you don’t have. He shares what causes low dopamine activity, how to know if you’re experiencing it, and what increases dopamine. We then talk about how to deal with the consequences of dopamine and some of the scenarios in which it plays a role, like losing the spark in a relationship, getting stuck in a smartphone scroll habit, and why so much of taming dopamine comes down to living in the here and now. We end our conversation with why the Great Gatsby is really a novel about dopamine, the fundamental answer to not letting the dopamine chase, lead you around. After the show’s over, check out our show notes @aom.is/molecule.

All right, Michael Long, welcome back to the show.

Michael Long: Hey, it’s good to be here, Brett. How are you doing?

Brett McKay: Doing great. So we had you on the podcast several years ago, I think it was, back in 2018, to discuss a book you co-authored called the Molecule of More. It’s all about dopamine. You’ve written a sequel to that book called “Taming the Molecule of More.” What prompted the sequel? What did you flesh out in this book that you and your co-author didn’t flesh out in the first one?

Michael Long: Well, the first book is about the science of dopamine and it’s effects on modern life, or I should say it’s effects on us and struggling in modern life. And we explained as much as we could, as much as you can in 70,000 words, just how this plays out. And it turns out to affect everything from your political beliefs or your political behaviors, I should say, to why you get so wrapped up in your phone and even things like online pornography. And people read the book and they said, this is very interesting science. I love these stories. What can I do about it? And that’s the second book. How do you tame the stress of dopamine in modern life. Hence the title, Taming the Molecule of More. And I wrote this one alone, with a nice foreword by Dr. Dan.

Brett McKay: So let’s do a quick recap of the big ideas of the Molecule of More, since I think that’ll help guide the rest of our conversation. You call dopamine the most important chemical in the human brain. So what is dopamine?

Michael Long: Well, the best way to understand what dopamine is, is to first understand what it is not. And in general, when we talk about neurotransmitters, these are chemicals in your brain that guide your behavior and your feelings. Behavior and feelings. And there are dozens of these chemicals, if not a couple of hundred, actually. But for our purposes, we’re interested in a handful. And so, as I said, to understand what dopamine does, first understand what it is not. Every neurotransmitter, except one deals with the here and now. That is how things feel physically, how things taste and smell, how things sound. Those neurotransmitters let us live in the moment. But there’s one that doesn’t let us live in the moment at all. There’s one that does nothing but anticipate what is possible, one that looks forward, and that one is dopamine. Not only does it make you look forward to the future, anticipate the future, it also makes you want what you don’t have. And it does so in sort of a vicious and wonderful way. And what it does is, it makes you believe that if there’s something out there that you’ve just come across that might possibly improve your life, you have to break down walls to get it.

That’s what dopamine is. It’s the molecule that makes you want, anticipate. It’s the molecule that makes you desire more. And it does all this on the basis of the mere possibility, not even evidence that it’s so. And I’m sure in the course of our conversation, we can offer all sorts of examples where this begins to mess up our days. A quick example, though, is when you pull that lever on a slot machine. Now, there’s no guarantee at all that what comes up after you pull the lever is gonna be any money, a penny, a million dollars, whatever. But that feeling of anticipation, it might be. It might be something better than I have right now. It might give me more. That’s the dopamine feeling.

Brett McKay: The way you describe dopamine, I think it goes against the way often people think about what dopamine is, when they’ve heard of opening, they’ve probably heard of dopamine as the reward neurotransmitter. The way you described, it doesn’t sound like it’s a reward neurotransmitter.

Michael Long: It’s not a reward neurotransmitter at all. It is a go get the reward transmitter. It’s a motivating neurotransmitter. More often, I hear actually that people think of it as the happiness molecule. They talk about, oh, I just got the dopamine buzz. Well, no, you probably just got the oxytocin buzz or maybe even the serotonin buzz to some extent. The dopamine buzz is that feeling that, if I just keep pushing a little harder, I’ll get this thing. Another good example of the dopamine feeling, is if you celebrate Christmas, you know how kids are all leading up to Christmas and they’re wondering what’s in the presents. They’re all hopeful that what they wanted and they’ll even sometimes cheat a little bit and try to look inside the wrapping. I know that’s what I did when I was a little boy. I still do it today, once in a while. That feeling of anticipation, that is the real dopamine buzz. It motivates us into the future.

Brett McKay: Yeah. One of the big takeaways I got from your description of dopamine, I took away from that first book. And then again when I read this book. Uncertainty is an important factor of dopamine. If there’s no uncertainty, you’re probably not gonna have dopamine. So you don’t know if it’s gonna be good or bad. And that’s the thing that kickstarts that dopamine drive. Well, I got to find out. I wanna resolve this uncertainty?

Michael Long: That’s exactly right. My favorite example is this. And it’s a one that Dr. Lieberman and I have used for years. And everybody can recognize this. Let’s say for the sake of numbers, let’s say you get, at the end of every week, you get a check for $1,000 and that’s your pay. Congratulations. There you go. You get thousand dollars. At the end of the week, your boss comes to your desk, puts the thousand dollar check in your hand. You put it in your wallet and you don’t think anything about it. Now the next week, the boss comes to your desk and the boss gives you $1,000 check. And then the boss says, she says, “You’ve done so, well, I’m gonna give you an extra hundred bucks, here’s another hundred dollar check.” And you’re like, wow, an extra 100 bucks. This is fantastic. Notice that the thousand dollars you’ve just been slipping in your wallet, no big deal, she gives you one tenth of that and you’re ecstatic. That’s the thing we’re talking about. Dopamine is the, as long as something’s a little bit better, we’re gonna go chasing it. So now, the next week comes and all of a sudden you’re thinking, I wonder if I’ll get another hundred dollars this week.

Oh, that would be exciting. So she gives you $1,000 check, and you’re waiting and waiting and sure enough, she says, another great week, here’s another $100 bonus. Oh, boy, that great feeling you’ve had anticipating and it turned out to be wonderful. So fast forward, six or eight weeks down the road, you’ve been getting $1,000 check, which you yawn about, 1/10th of that $100 check and you are excited about it. But once a few weeks pass and you realize, oh, she’s always gonna give me $100 bonus, you stop being excited about it. You stop looking forward to that little extra thing on Friday because it’s no longer extra, it’s become normal. Nothing to be excited about. And that’s what dopamine drives us to, is to try to get that next thing. But once it becomes normal, part of the wallpaper, the dopamine buzz goes away. We don’t feel that anticipation anymore.

Brett McKay: Yeah, the scientific phrase for that, it’s called reward prediction error, right?

Michael Long: That’s exactly right.

Brett McKay: When you think there’s a possibility of something to exceed your expectations, that’s when you get that, oh, dopamine. Oh, man, let’s find out if it’s gonna happen or not. So you mentioned dopamine is the neurotransmitter of anticipation. It’s not about living in the here and now. The other neurotransmitters in our brain you call, here and now neurotransmitters. What are those here and now neurotransmitters, and how do they interact with dopamine?

Michael Long: Well, the here and now neurotransmitters, as I say, deal with sensory matters, consummatory matters, or consummatory matters. And there are lots of neurotransmitters we could talk about, but I’ll just go through a few of them that are in the realm. And when I say literally, all the others are here and now. Literally all the others, Brett, are here and now. There’s only one that truly deals with anticipation. One you’ve heard a lot about is serotonin. Serotonin deals with mood and sleep, and it’s a major player when we’re trying to get treatment for depression. There are others that simply act like an accelerator or a decelerator on all the activities in the brain. One of those neurotransmitters is called glutamate, and it causes things to get boosted a little bit. Things go a little faster. There’s another called GABA. GABA, if you’ve ever taken Xanax or Klonopin, that’s what it is. It’s a GABA acting chemical. It pushes GABA and that calms us down. It slows down some of the reactions. And what’s interesting about it, is it doesn’t flow through the brain like oil does. Oh, put some oil in so it’ll smooth it out a little bit.

It actually acts in a discrete way, in a separate way. So all these circuits in your brain, all these receptors that are scattered about in a particular system, mixed among those receptors may be GABA receptors. And so, those GABA receptors could be acted on at the same time the dopamine receptors are acted on. So instead of slowing it down like oil does, it’s like, oh, here’s another fellow who shows up to do a little work himself and he’s going, slow down. Now there are a couple of other H and N neurotransmitters that I like to mention, but they’re actually not technically neurotransmitters. Now, 99 people out of a hundred don’t give a damn. But technically we wanna be correct. These are actually neuropeptides. And it’s just chemically a little different. But for our purposes, they’re the same thing. They tend to act a little more slowly than neurotransmitters. One, you’ve heard of oxytocin. Oxytocin. And that acts in bonding, that acts in trust. And if you think about it, that makes sense that that would be a here and now thing. Because bonding is about the person that you are with in the moment. That’s where that happens.

The trust comes from what might happen to you in the moment you are with someone in the here and now. Another is endorphins. In endorphins, we can of think of as natural opioids. So pretty much any place you wanna point in that realm of neurotransmitters and neuropeptides, we’ll find something that primarily acts in the here and now.

Brett McKay: And so, it sounds like dopamine will drive you to get those good feelings. He’s like, oh, this can make me feel good somehow, possibly. And then once you achieve the thing, dopamine drops off, and then the here, now neurotransmitters, the oxytocin, the serotonin, they kick in to enhance the experience, help you enjoy the experience and strengthen your bond with the person you’re with?

Michael Long: Well, yeah, you just nailed it. The idea of dopamine driving you to get something that you can enjoy or consume, is just a parallel to what happens in the real world. In fact, the simplest way to think of it, is like exerting effort and then having a trophy. You don’t get the trophy, you don’t get the pleasure. You don’t get to hold the trophy in your hand until you’ve done the work to get there. Dopamine is the motivator to do that work. And the trophy is the feeling, the physical feeling, the sound, the touch, the taste, or pursuing someone that you wanna date. You go through a lot of anticipation, a lot of effort in order to get to the point where you actually touch them, where you’re actually sitting with them and interacting with them in the here and now. Everything up to that point is quite literally anticipation. What can I do? Or whether, what will it be like when I reach my goal? And that’s what all those other neurotransmitters do, is they indulge the goal. Dopamine pushes us toward the goal. And it’s worth noting that that dopamine feeling, although it has nothing to do with the here and now, is typically more intense and more, I’ll use the word motivating, even though that’s literally what it does.

More motivating than all the others. If it weren’t so, we wouldn’t have addiction. Addiction is driven by dopamine in large part, you’ll know. And people who are listening to this, who have dealt with addiction know that after a while, it takes more and more stimulation to get less and less feeling. And if you think about that, that ought to be the end of addiction. If you’re doing cocaine and you have to do more and more lines to get higher and now, to get the same amount of high until finally you don’t get high anymore, it makes sense that you go, well, forget this. I’m not gonna do cocaine anymore, but keep doing it. It’s because dopamine doesn’t give up. Dopamine doesn’t fade like the pleasure does. It’s so powerful and so intense, it continues pushing us towards something that may not even be good anymore. We’ve warped the system.

Brett McKay: Well, let’s talk about how we can tame dopamine and get more out of it. Let’s talk about having low dopamine first, ’cause I imagine people are listening to you describe dopamine, that it causes you to have ambition, have drive, be motivated, and like, I need more of that in my life. So I’m sure a lot of people are like, well, how can I increase dopamine? Maybe that’s my problem life. I don’t have enough of it. First off, how do you know if you’re low on dopamine? Are there any symptoms of it?

Michael Long: Absolutely there are, with one caveat, Brett, and that is, I’m gonna tell you, a lot of symptoms that you can look for, a lot of phenomena you can look for. But I wanna offer the warning as I say that, that these are in broad terms, they can signal a lot of things. So just because you hear some of these, that I say that click with you, doesn’t necessarily mean the problem is dopamine. If it’s interfering with your life, by all means, call a psychiatrist, call a psychologist, go see your GP, get some help to find out if there’s something truly pathological that you need some help with. But having offered that warning, here are some things that are typical about low dopamine activity in the brain. One is a lack of interest in the things that used to intrigue you. You loved it before. Now, not so much. If you’re less interested than you used to be in new things, if you’re not as easily intrigued, that can suggest a decline in dopamine activity. If you are lacking interest in things that by all rights intrigue everybody else and ought to intrigue you too, all this can take the form of reduced motivation for instance, a lesser ability to concentrate.

Brain fog. Less interest in sex is a hallmark of this as well. Just an overall decline in the ability to feel pleasure. You’ll notice that a lot of these aren’t about suddenly you wake up one day and here’s a symptom. It’s a change in the way you felt before, to the way you feel now. And generally that decline involves less pleasure in life. Those are good signals that you’re… And I’m gonna take a little side note here. When we say low on dopamine, what we’re really talking about is in most cases, a reduction in dopamine activity, which again, won’t matter to most people. But we wanna be precise. It’s not as if you could take a dopamine pill and boost it. It’s about increasing the amount of activity with dopamine in your brain.

Brett McKay: Do we know what causes lower dopamine activity?

Michael Long: We know what causes some of it. We can describe it, which is different from saying we know what causes it. We can describe the sunrise, but we can’t exactly describe how the sun got there. When there’s less dopamine activity, a couple of things can be happening, technically. One is that, the dopamine that you have in your brain is getting diluted or washed away before it does all it’s job. Think of a bunch of locks on one side and a bunch of keys on the other. When dopamine acts, what happens is, or any neurotransmitter acts, that key slips into the lock, and that opens the door and causes the feeling. So you could have a lot of those locks blocked. That would be one thing you could do. You could have fewer keys. That’s something else. You could have keys not staying in the lock very long. All these things are declines. Now, what causes them? Well, some of them are just purely organic. It could be that your body was just designed with this flaw. It could be that your brain has changed, and these receptors and this receptor activity across the gap, or the synapses is now reduced by a simple change in time.

Could be that, and this is most common. It could be that you’ve used some kind of common compound that has stretched your ability to appreciate what happens when the lock goes in the key, and you’ve changed what we call homeostasis. You’ve changed your normal to something that requires a lot more stimulation. I always think of Miley Cyrus, who had some wonderful things to say about our first book for exactly this reason. She said, “I went through a period of time where I was not excited about performing in front of a half million people. It just didn’t thrill me anymore.” And it was because she had done it so much, so often, it was no longer unusual to her. It was just part of normal. Now, you and I might pass out if we had to stand in front of half a million people. But for her, she would yawn. It’s about stretching out that system really, like a sweater that you’ve worn, that you’ve pulled over your head too many times, and now it’s stretched out.

Brett McKay: Okay. So you could have low dopamine activity because of some organic biological reason, or it could be because you just hit a dopamine stimulating activity over and over again. So this could be with drugs, or it could be with something else, just like social media. It’s just whenever you flood the brain with high levels of dopamine, it reduces the number of dopamine receptors, and it’s kind of like closing windows during a windstorm.

And that makes it harder to feel pleasure from that stimulation in the future. Let’s go into different ways people think they can try to increase dopamine activity. We know drugs can reduce dopamine activity in the long term, but is it also possible to increase dopamine activity with drugs? And I’m not just talking illegal drugs, I’m talking stimulants and prescription drugs.

Michael Long: Yes, it is. But, again, a big warning. It’s all. Everything I have to say is, I give with one hand to take away with the other, Brett. First you need to know about that dopamine in your brain. When we talk about dopamine levels, you think about something like, insulin or A1C. What are my levels there? And you take a blood test and there you go. Well, you can’t do that with dopamine. This is weird. I think this is so interesting. All the dopamine that we’re talking about, that has to do with mood and behavior, this is already in your brain. All the dopamine that you’re gonna deal with, is already there. It’s made in the brain, it stays in the brain, and it gets washed out as something else. So you can’t drink yourself a big glass of dopamine and make it go up. It could never get into your brain, because your brain has a wall around it called the blood brain barrier. And it’s looking for chemicals like dopamine that are too big or too polarized to get in there. ‘Cause it’s like, I don’t want you messing with my brain system, man.

Leave me alone. I got a wall up here to keep you out. So you can’t just ingest this stuff. You can shoot it into your spinal column and it’ll go up there, but it acts so quickly, it won’t help, and that’s very dangerous anyway. So we don’t really do that too much. If we wanna elevate it with drugs, there are things that do it by causing the dopamine to hang around longer to make those keys I talked about, to make those keys stay in the lock a little longer or go in the lock a few more times. We see that with antidepressants like Wellbutrin, like Zoloft, like Effexor. Oh, yeah. Well, there’s an older antidepressant called an MAO inhibitor, and those do that as well. Now, we can get this with stimulants, Adderall, Ritalin, cocaine. You may be thinking of L-DOPA, which you’ve heard of, which is a precursor to dopamine. But that won’t help us in our conversation, Brett, because that is a precursor to dopamine, that largely acts on the circuits that have to do with motion. That’s why if you Google dopamine, you’re gonna get a bunch of hits about Parkinson’s disease.

There are other circuits in the dopamine system that do things we are not talking about. So, yes, there are compounds that you can use. Here’s where I take away with the other hand. Here’s that, if you have a deficiency of dopamine, we can often raise the dopamine activity to get you back to normal. That’s a good thing. I take an antidepressant. It helps me. It makes a big difference. Not just serotonin. It’s also in many cases, the dopamine level. But if you have normal dopamine, you can’t take Wellbutrin, Zoloft, Effexor, or Adderall. Listen up, students. You can’t take that and get a boost in behavior or a boost in performance from that. We can’t overclock the brain. It turns out we can try, but it just won’t work. Why is that? We don’t know exactly. There is something built into the brain that won’t let it overclock, that dopamine. And when it does overclock in more natural or pathological ways, then you’ve got problems. Then you have real problems.

Brett McKay: Okay. So if you have an actual dopamine deficiency or deficiency in activity, drugs can help. But if you’re just normal and you’re trying to boost yourself, with the Limitless pill, that’s not gonna work. It’s not gonna work out for you. Don’t even try.

Michael Long: I know what you’re talking about. You’re talking about the movie, the Limitless pill?

Brett McKay: Yeah.

Michael Long: That is such a cool idea. And I know we caught a few people when I said Adderall won’t help, they’re like, the hell it won’t help. I went to college and got by on Adderall. But the studies that we have on this, show that with or without the Adderall, if you’re taking Adderall or if you’re taking a placebo and you think you’re taking Adderall, you’re trying to do better on a test, you will do better on a test. It’s a placebo effect. It’s the belief that you’ll do better. And to some extent, you may actually commit to studying harder because you think, now I have the Adderall benefit. This is bound to be easier. So even though it feels like it’s helping you and in practice, you may find that it’s better, it is still a placebo effect. It’s not really affecting your dopamine.

Brett McKay: We’re going to take a quick break for a word from our sponsors. And now back to the show. Something else you mentioned in the book about increasing dopamine activity. And it took me back to college, this is back in the 2000s. ‘Cause I got really into this back then. Binaural beats, how they can potentially modulate dopamine levels. So for people aren’t familiar, what are binaural beats and what role do they play with dopamine?

Michael Long: First, for people. So everybody knows what it is. If I put one frequency in one ear, let’s say I put 335 hertz in one ear and 345 in the other. Okay, you won’t hear 335 and 345. You’ll hear the difference of 10 hertz, 10 beats. Instead of those two beats, you’re gonna hear a wave. And this does something. But nobody knows exactly what’s going on. All we know is that it seems to change our behavior. Isn’t that crazy? It’s weird. Does it modulate dopamine levels? Does it affect them in terms of activity? It’s impossible for us to know from the research so far. But what we do know, is that it is causing easier concentration at certain frequencies. It’s causing more motivation at certain frequencies. This may have something to do with what we’ll call neural synchronization. Because the every living thing gives off waves. And that’s not a woo woo thing. Systems that have activity in them, tend to vibrate at particular frequencies. And those frequencies are associated with certain kinds of activities. The brain itself has several different levels of frequency ranges that are associated with things like deep sleep or concentration or excitement.

So the binaural beats phenomenon, is it modulating dopamine? Maybe. Is it retuning the entire brain? Maybe. We just don’t know. But this is another promising place that may help us overcome. I think what is so important to remember when you look at dopamine driven problems, is the answer may not always be, and in the future it certainly won’t be, well, let’s just fiddle with the dopamine dial. It could be that we can find other ways to overcome a dopamine deficiency or to modulate and reduce too much dopamine activity. And that would be wonderful, because dopamine is a really difficult system to manipulate. It’s so segregated, it’s so isolated in terms of how well we can touch it. And we can’t touch it very much.

Brett McKay: Yeah. So back in college, I would listen to binaural beats that were supposed to be designed to help you focus or stay motivated. I’ll do that occasionally today, if I’m doing taxes and to get stuff ready for my accountant or I’m writing an article that I’m just having a hard time. I’ll just find Spotify and look for binaural beats focus or binaural beats motivation. And it’s actually nice just as white noise. Just kind of keeps you focused. And maybe there’s something going on with binaural beats, who knows? But you can look for that on Spotify. There’s plenty of binaural beat play tracks out there. Let’s go back to the problem where you’re just not as sensitive to dopamine, because you’ve hammered your brain with dopamine stimulating activity so much. So it’s not responding to the stimuli anymore. Like the example you gave of the overstretched sweater. One solution you’ll hear about, is doing a dopamine fast. And this is where you temporarily abstain from pleasurable or stimulating activities like social media or porn to reset the brain’s reward system, reset your dopamine, so you re-sensitize yourself to normal, everyday levels of pleasures. We’ve actually talked about dopamine fast on the podcast and our website before. Is there anything to this idea of dopamine fast?

Michael Long: Absolutely there is. And if you wanna do it, you got to be sure you’re doing it right. Because if you don’t, you’re going to make it worse. There was an article in the New York Times a while back, about a couple of entrepreneurs who tried to do this on a weekly basis, and they did things like getting away from their phone or turning the lights off or never looking at a screen. All these things are sort of in the realm of dopamine to some level. In the same way, driving a car is sort of related to going to the gas station. There’s a lot more to it. But if you’re gonna do a dopamine fast, let me tell you, the best thing to remember about it, is that dopamine stuff you’re feeling is filling a hole. It’s filling a gap in your emotions, in your life. And if you get rid of dopamine by saying, I’m gonna cut myself off from these activities, that hole is still there, except now it’s empty. And you won’t be able to keep that up. If you’re going to pull back from dopamine, you have to fill that hole with something else.

And what you wanna do, is fill it with here and now activities, we spend so much time anticipating. That’s what your phone is all about. We’re scrolling down the phone looking for something that might be interesting, ’cause last time I saw something interesting, maybe I’ll see something fun again. You have to fill that with here and now, which means, sensory things. Perhaps you could talk to a friend, read a book, go outside and draw a picture, for Pete’s sake, pick up an instrument, do some exercise, anything that involves your engagement with reality in the moment. So if you’re gonna dopamine fast, by all means, knock that stuff out. But be sure, you fill the hole that remains, because it will not stay empty for long. And dopamine will win that battle every damn time.

Brett McKay: I imagine meditation is another one that you could do. Replace it with.

Michael Long: Absolutely. Because meditation puts you in the moment. It requires you to not anticipate, but to feel. Feeling is the word here. The feel, the physical feel with all five senses. You look into breath work. It’s a really neat idea. Has to do with carbon dioxide levels in your brain and your body. This can make a big difference. It’s something that I’ve been looking at in the past few months and I found a lot of peace. And it’s the kind of thing that you can do when you’re standing in line at McDonald’s. It’s going to help you live in the moment.

Brett McKay: So after tackling what we can do to have healthy dopamine levels, re-sensitize ourselves to it. You spend the rest of the book talking about different issues where dopamine plays a role and offers suggestions on how to tame dopamine for those situations. Let’s talk about this one. A couple that’s been together for a long time, we’re talking about a romantic couple, and they feel like the spark is gone. What’s going on there with dopamine?

Michael Long: Well, the first thing we can know, is that a couple that’s been together a long time has now reached the end of significant reward prediction error, which is a fancy way of saying, they don’t surprise each other anymore. And a part of love, especially in the early, as Helen Fisher has done in her research showed. In her research, early love is about surprise, anticipation, is about what is it that I’m going to learn. When love starts to fade as we think of romantic love, it’s because there’s nothing new left to discover. So what we want to do is find ways to restore reward prediction error. And I’ll tell you a few things that you can do to do that right away to create a little more spark, do things where you’re going to be in a situation that you can’t predict the outcome. For Pete’s sake, go to karaoke night with your partner. Do that. Take two $10 bills. Each of you have a $10 bill. Go to a thrift store or go to the mall and say, okay, you got to go pick me out something. Go buy me a $10 present. Go, pick a destination you haven’t been before, and go there and explore it.

Don’t have an agenda. Just say, we’re gonna find out what’s there. You’re putting yourself in situations where you don’t know exactly what the other person’s gonna do. You might have an idea, but we can surprise each other. So these are things to create new opportunities for reward prediction error. As for sex, there are things that we can do in that realm as well. One of the things you can do, is create a place where people can say, the couple can say what it is that they might not wanna say out loud because they’re afraid they’ll surprise you in a bad way. So create a private communication channel between the two of you. Some little secret account. Don’t use your regular account, because you don’t wanna press enter at the wrong time. And there are things you can do in terms of intimacy. I don’t know how much detail you wanna go into here, but certainly you can say, we’re gonna make out, but we’re not gonna go all the way. How about that? That’s for tomorrow.

And then you’ve got this wonderful, delicious day of anticipation that you build like that. Anything that creates an opportunity to anticipate, that creates an opportunity to encounter a surprise from your partner. And that begins by creating situations where that mystery is possible.

Brett McKay: All right, so do new things together. I think it’s an easy one. I think another thing you can do, I think when you’re with someone for a long time, you have the illusion that you know this person really well, like the back of your hand. And you do. You do know them a lot, but there’s still another, they’re a mind. You actually don’t know everything about them. There’s parts of them that you don’t know. And so, you suggest maybe you go deeper, like ask questions you haven’t explored yet. Like, tell me about some memory from your childhood. You’re just trying to recreate the dynamic of those early days of dating, where you had that excitement of learning new things about each other that you didn’t know. And you can do that by just asking a deeper question or just asking about something you’ve never talked about before.

Michael Long: Absolutely.

Brett McKay: So you can increase the spark by doing new things together, going deeper in your conversations. But also another tactic of maintaining that connection long term, is shifting over to the here now neurotransmitters as well. Don’t just rely on dopamine. There comes a point in your relationship where the here now need to start taking over more.

Michael Long: That’s exactly right. When I was in college, I had a friend who had a sign on his wall. He wasn’t a very romantic fellow, let’s say. And the sign on his wall said, kiss and don’t last. Cook and do. And it was such a great thought about how romance has to ultimately become. Well, there’s really not a lot that I have to discover about you, but the fact that you and I can savor the sensory world around us, is gonna be enough. And that’s what romantic love almost always evolves into. And if you’re not ready for it, you’re not gonna be very happy. The more you spend on anticipation, the less you’re in the moment. And I want people to realize what. Frankly, what I’ve realized is that, the moment is all you got, Brett. The moment is all you got. When my best friend died, he was 39 years old. At the funeral, the man who gave the talk at his funeral, man named Chris White, he said, “You may not remember all the time you spent with our friend Kent, but it’s okay, because it happened.” And my response was, what the hell does that even mean?

What could that possibly mean? And over the years, in learning more about neuroscience, I began to see what he got. He was right on the mark. You and I won’t remember much about today or yesterday. As time goes on, this will just fade away. We’ll remember broad things about it, if we remember it at all. But while we’re doing this right now, while you and I are talking, Brett, I’m having a good time. I’m very much in the moment, enjoying what we are doing right now, even though I won’t remember it. So that tells me we’re not doing these things because of how we can sit back in our dotage and think back on the old days. We’re doing it because right now happened. And let’s live in the moment. What a joyful thing to realize is that, we can replace this constant dopamine chase for what might be, what might be, what might be. Replace it with what is right now. A good, vigorous conversation with a smart guy who knows a lot of people, knows a lot of stuff. I’m getting to talk to you, Brett. That’s pretty cool. You’re getting to talk to me, and I know a few things, maybe, that you haven’t heard before.

This is fun, and the moment is wonderful. If you wanna beat dopamine, start living in the moment. Enjoy what you have. When Warren Zevon was dying, David Letterman asked him, what is your lesson? And he said, “Enjoy every sandwich.” My goodness, truer words never spoken.

Brett McKay: How can we use our knowledge of how dopamine works to tame our problematic smartphone use?

Michael Long: Oh, my. Let me give you a single example of what I did in my life, and that is my compulsion with the smartphone. And it has a direct parallel to things like social media. Is I was following the news. I came to Washington, D.C many years ago, to write in politics, and it didn’t take very many years for me to get tired of the abject hostility involved in that world, to back away. But I decided in 2017, that I was not going to read the news for a year. Now, as Nick Offerman said on Parks and Rec, what you just heard me say was, Mike didn’t read as much news. No, Mike stopped reading the news. I used technology to cut off technology. I blocked the news sites, I blocked certain keywords in social media and I spent a year without reading the news. I just cut myself off from it. And after a year I said, you know what, I’d like to continue to do this. So I did it for another four to six months and it was, you ask how do you do it? Well, in that case I did technology to break it off.

And I also planned for other things to do when I felt the urge to read the the news. I would have something else, I’d have a novel to read, I’d have musical instrument to play, I’d find something physical to do, go bake a batch of cookies, do something. And what I found at the end, and this is the takeaway, is that what I thought I was getting from reading the news, and this is true of social media or any kind of doom scrolling dealing with your phone. I found that what I was getting from it, wasn’t nearly what I thought. Was it making me an informed participant in the public debate? No, it wasn’t. In fact, I turned out that mostly I was posting things so I could get hits, so I could get likes. And those likes made me feel good. Was I changing anybody’s mind? No, I was just reinforcing people who already agreed with me. And if I did disagree with someone, it was usually some random person that I didn’t give a care about in the first place. Why am I arguing with strangers? I discovered that the time I spent on social media and my smartphone, were not contributing to my life in the long run.

They were barely contributing to it in the short run. And in fact, they were robbing me of the time I could have spent either working on something productive or simply enjoying the act of being a human being. So if you want to get out of the smartphone game, if you want to get out of social media, cut yourself off completely for a period of time. And you do that by cutting off the apps, turning the apps off, getting rid of them on your phone, putting in a block that limits the amount of time, some of the that you can access it and when you can access it, some of these are accessible through the so called children’s settings. Get yourself an accountability partner. Whenever you feel that you’re gonna do this, tell your friend, hey, I’m gonna call you and I need you to talk me out of this. Okay? Please let me do this for you. When you say, I’m not just going to taper off, but I’m going to quit, the initial hill is high, but the trip after that is much easier. And the powerful experience afterward can change your life for the better.

Brett McKay: Yeah, I’ve used apps to block apps on my phone, using technology to fight technology. But another powerful thing that I’ve used to break the smartphone scroll habit is some metacognition. So I think, okay, I checked my smartphone ’cause I’m hoping that I’m gonna find something that’ll change my life. I’ll find something interesting, funny, maybe some useful information. Let me think back all the times I’ve checked my phone. How often does that happen? Hardly ever. And so, I just started thinking, you know what? I think I’m gonna find something cool and new when I check my phone. I usually don’t. So why am I checking my phone? That’s kind of the metacognition I do to trick myself. And they go, there’s really no reason to check your phone ’cause there’s nothing there.

Michael Long: And the problem is, dopamine says, yeah, you might not find it every time, but what if you do?

Brett McKay: Yeah, there’s still that dopaminergic pole. But I have found, I think it’s useful to talk back to it. Just reminding myself that there’s nothing there. It’s helped me out a lot. And it can help people walk away from social media just like, yeah, there’s nothing on social media. And then with you, it seems like it helped you with quitting the news. You realize you weren’t missing anything. You had that realization. You also have a section devoted to problematic porn use. How does dopamine make porn so alluring? What’s going on there?

Michael Long: Well, it’s doing the same thing that we’ve talked about in all these other realms with a couple of nasty little attachments to it. Not only do we have the attraction of dopamine to the possibility of something new, we have it combined with at least the effects of three other neurotransmitters, and the general attraction of sexual activity, of reproduction, which is the strongest of human desires. So here we are, stuck on our cell phone or looking at the laptop or whatever, and we have the possibility that we’ll see something new and exciting. Plus, we have serotonin, but can make us more compulsively behave this way. We have glutamate, which is pushing us harder toward compulsive behavior. And we have reduced GABA, which means it’s not relaxing us, but it’s goosing this event. It’s goosing this desire. So you’re getting hit from all sides. And it flows from the fact that the sexual response, the sexual drive is the most basic and powerful. It’s, I guess to use a cliche, it’s dopamine on steroids.

Brett McKay: And so to tame that, probably the same tactics you use to tame your smartphone addiction or news addiction?

Michael Long: That’s the great thing about dealing with dopamine. If you find a system that works for you in social media, if you find a system that works for you in online gaming or shopping, if you find something that works with serial dating, something we haven’t talked much about, if it works for those things, it’ll work for everything else. We’re talking about the same mechanism over and over again. And this way, we’re no longer saying, I just have to be more self disciplined. Self discipline has a shelf life, doesn’t last very long. But if we plan for it, if we use technology, if we understand the system, if we engage with the observing self, meaning that we know we’re going to feel a stimulation and instead of reacting, we’re gonna take a moment to decide how to react. If we plan for that, we can beat this thing.

Brett McKay: And then the other thing to not only take away, you not only want to subtract that trigger, that dopamine trigger, but you wanna replace it with a here now activity, meditation, going for a walk outside, talking with your friends, that’s gonna be more useful to you instead of just trying to rely on pure grit alone.

Michael Long: Absolutely. And hey, quit trying to be normal folks, oh, I’m going to read a book, I’m going to do push ups. No. Say, I’ve always wanted to learn to draw. I’m gonna go buy myself some art supplies. I’m gonna try to draw. I’ve wanted to learn to play guitar, but I don’t wanna buy a guitar. I wanna buy a $40 ukulele ’cause I don’t wanna spend 200 bucks on a guitar. Buy a friggin ukulele. Do something. It doesn’t have to be normal or ordinary. If it amuses you, that’s enough. And the more unusual it is, ta da. The more dopamine is gonna go, what the hell is this ukulele doing back here? Let’s explore that. All of a sudden, you’ve replaced a pure dopaminergic waste of time with a dopamine driven here and now experience that leverages the best of dopamine.

Brett McKay: You end the book talking about one of my favorite novels of all time. It’s The Great Gatsby. And you argue that it’s a novel that captures the tug of war with dopamine perfectly. Tell us about that. Why do you think The Great Gatsby is the great novel of dopamine?

Michael Long: Well, it is the great novel of dopamine. And it is also, and I hear you and I are gonna part company pretty strongly. I think it’s one of the most damaging novels ever written.

Brett McKay: Okay. I don’t, yeah. There’s some damaging, but I think it’s well written. I enjoy reading.

Michael Long: Oh, it is. Oh, some of the prose is beautiful. I was reading it, as I wrote this book, reading it again, and it’s devastatingly beautiful. The phrases will be a part of the English part of us forever. But the problem is, is here’s this guy, here’s this guy Fitzgerald, who had the most wonderful life you could imagine. He had money, he had fame, he had love, he had admiration. And his book is about how everything is pointless. The whole thing gets to the point of saying, and you know what? Here’s that green light, and we’ll never reach it. We’ll never get there. We’ll never reach the orgastic, as he calls it, delight that we seek. And so, here we are, boats against the current, beat back ceaselessly into the past. And what a horrible, sad, hopeless thing to tell your readers, especially a guy who knows better. So when I look at Gatsby, I see that. I see here’s somebody who did not finish the equation. Is it a beautiful book? It’s absolutely a beautiful book. But it tells us something that’s not true, which is life is pointless.

And that’s really at the heart of taming the molecule of more of the book. If you’re going to face up to dopamine and try to live in the here and now, even the here and now isn’t going to fix it, unless what you’re doing over the course of your life leads to meaning. Leads to meaning. And that’s what’s missing from Gatsby. Aristotle talked about this, and so did Viktor Frankl, the great psychiatrist. And it’s very simple. If you want to solve the dopamine problem, yes, solve those discrete dopamine issues, but realize that you also need to fill the hole with something of meaning. And the way Aristotle said, we can do that, it’s very simple. It’s crazily simple. Find the things you love to do, find the things you’re good at, and see where they intersect. What is it that you’re good at and you love to do? Now from that, think about what matters to you. What virtues matters to you. And by virtue, I don’t mean holiness. I mean things like knowledge or justice or grace or kindness. What is it that you do that you enjoy and are good at, that also advances your best virtues?

This way, what you do moment to moment, will lead to nothing less than a fulfilling life. A good, solid, contributing life that means something to you and others. If you’re gonna be the lunch lady, you like to cook. You love seeing the little kids, and the kids are happier for seeing you. What a wonderful life that would be. What a wonderful life that would be. And that would be a fulfilling, meaningful life because it mattered beyond you. That’s where the hope comes from. Look beyond yourself.

Brett McKay: And so, it sounds like instead of looking to Jay Gatsby, should look to George Bailey.

Michael Long: I think that’s a pretty good example.

Brett McKay: That’s a good one. Well, Michael, this has been a great conversation. Where can people go to learn more about the book and your work?

Michael Long: Tamingthemolecule.com, you can buy the book there. You can interact with me if you want. If you have a book club and you’d like me to swoop in and have a conversation with your book club, I’d love to do it, tamingthemolecule.com.

Brett McKay: Fantastic. Well, Michael Long, thanks for your time. It’s been a pleasure.

Michael Long: Brett, is always a pleasure. Thanks, buddy.

Brett McKay: My guest today is Michael Long. He’s the author of the book Taming the Molecule of More. It’s available on amazon.com and bookstores everywhere. You can find more information about his work at his website, tamingthemolecule.com. Also check out our show notes at aom.is/molecule, where you find links to our resources. We delve deeper into this topic.

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