{"id":184815,"date":"2024-11-19T11:52:39","date_gmt":"2024-11-19T17:52:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/?p=184815"},"modified":"2024-11-19T11:52:39","modified_gmt":"2024-11-19T17:52:39","slug":"the-ancient-art-of-saying-no-plutarch-s-guide-to-breaking-free-from-people-pleasing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/people\/social-skills\/the-ancient-art-of-saying-no-plutarch-s-guide-to-breaking-free-from-people-pleasing\/","title":{"rendered":"The Ancient Art of Saying No: Plutarch&#8217;s Guide to Breaking Free from People-Pleasing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-184860\" src=\"https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2024\/11\/plutarch-no-2.jpg\" alt=\"Illustration of a bearded man in a red headscarf next to the text &quot;Plutarch's Guide to Saying No,&quot; reminiscent of ancient art, providing wisdom against people-pleasing.\" width=\"650\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2024\/11\/plutarch-no-2.jpg 650w, https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2024\/11\/plutarch-no-2-372x230.jpg 372w, https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2024\/11\/plutarch-no-2-320x197.jpg 320w, https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2024\/11\/plutarch-no-2-640x394.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 650px) 100vw, 650px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Ever feel like you can\u2019t say no? Like you\u2019re constantly doing things you don\u2019t want to to avoid letting others down or having them think less of you? You\u2019re not alone. Saying no to people\u2019s requests is something I\u2019ve had to work on throughout my adult life. I know a lot of other people who have trouble saying no, too.<\/p>\n<p>And it isn\u2019t just a modern problem.<\/p>\n<p>My recent <a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/knowledge-of-men\/podcast-plutarchs-lives\/\">interview with Alex Petkas about Plutarch\u2019s<em>&nbsp;Lives<\/em><\/a>&nbsp;led me to revisit the ancient writer\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gutenberg.org\/files\/23639\/23639-h\/23639-h.htm\"><em>Moralia <\/em><\/a>\u2014&nbsp;a collection of essays about topics ranging from how to manage your anger to knowing if you\u2019re growing in virtue. Plutarch\u2019s got an essay in there on the issue of people-pleasing. The Greek word Plutarch used for people-pleasing was <em>dys\u014dpia<\/em>, which is roughly translated to &#8220;the embarrassment that makes us grant unjustified requests.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In today\u2019s article, we\u2019re going to take a look at what Plutarch said about <em>dys\u014dpia <\/em>and his ancient-yet-still-relevant advice on how to overcome it.<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"h.fg1q7mxaraqd\"><u>The People-Pleaser&#8217;s Paradox<\/u><\/h2>\n<p>Plutarch notes that excessive people-pleasing often comes from a good place. Courteous and conscientious people are the ones who typically struggle with <em>dys\u014dpia<\/em>. Those who care about doing the right thing and about how they look in the eyes of others are capable of shame, and like other ancients, Plutarch thought shame could be a very healthy thing; shame was a virtue because it checked reckless and selfish behavior.<\/p>\n<p>But, Plutarch observes, someone can be<em>&nbsp;too<\/em>&nbsp;sensitive to shame, and it is from this overweening sense of shame that people-pleasing arises. A person who struggles with <em>dys\u014dpia <\/em>feels excessive shame for something they shouldn&#8217;t: saying no to annoying or unnecessary requests. Plutarch takes an Aristotelian approach to the virtue of shame: you should feel it at the right time, for the right reasons, and at the right intensity. Because <em>dys\u014dpia <\/em>is an inappropriate experience of shame, Plutarch considered it a vice.<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"h.nn6grzb8yr79\"><u>The Real Cost of Never Saying No<\/u><\/h2>\n<p>Plutarch catalogs the price we pay when we succumb to <em>dys\u014dpia<\/em>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>We make promises we can&#8217;t keep.<\/li>\n<li>We lend money to people who won&#8217;t repay us.<\/li>\n<li>We compromise our integrity.<\/li>\n<li>We sacrifice our needs and values to avoid momentary discomfort.<\/li>\n<li>We allow ourselves less time to focus on the people and causes that are really important to us.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Plutarch\u2019s most keen insight about the cost of not saying no to people is that we often end up creating the very thing we were trying to avoid: embarrassment and a bad reputation.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s Plutarch\u2019s thinking:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>A people-pleaser says yes to requests to avoid feeling bad about saying no and to build a reputation as a helpful person.<\/li>\n<li>But because the people-pleaser never says no, they overcommit and fail to follow through on the commitments they\u2019ve made.<\/li>\n<li>Consequently, they gain a reputation for being a flake and are looked down upon by others and feel bad about themselves.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2 id=\"h.9vh8desdhm0\"><u>Plutarch&#8217;s Guide to Breaking Free From People-Pleasing<\/u><\/h2>\n<p>Plutarch offers practical advice on overcoming the vice of people-pleasing:<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"h.dlq1ag8v6n5x\">1. Start Small<\/h2>\n<p>Don&#8217;t try to transform overnight. Start with low-stakes situations:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Decline the extra drink offered at dinner when you&#8217;ve had enough.<\/li>\n<li>Send your meal back at a restaurant when it wasn\u2019t made right.<\/li>\n<li>Exit conversations you aren\u2019t enjoying.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2 id=\"h.jveyapcrkyq0\">2. Practice Strategic Silence<\/h2>\n<p>If someone makes an unreasonable request, Plutarch doesn\u2019t think you always have to respond. Sometimes, you don\u2019t need to say anything at all. As Plutarch puts it, \u201cSilence is an answer to the wise.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If a random person on LinkedIn messages you to \u201cpick your brain\u201d for an hour, ignore it. If a family member texts you asking for a big loan, delete it.<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"h.mitdz7ve36u7\">3. Remember Your Past Regrets<\/h2>\n<p>Plutarch recommends reminding yourself of moments when you said yes to something you didn\u2019t want to do and how crappy you felt afterwards. Hopefully, the painful memory will keep you from making a similar mistake.<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"h.4ykcqdeb2pqo\">4. Adjust Your No Depending on the Person<\/h2>\n<p>Plutarch was a keen observer of human nature, particularly social status. He understood that <em>how <\/em>you refuse someone varies based on their status. Here\u2019s Plutarch\u2019s playbook to saying no based on social status:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dealing With Power Players<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>You know the type \u2014 high-status individuals used to getting their way. Maybe it&#8217;s your boss or an influential client.<\/p>\n<p>With these types of people, whose good graces you generally want to stay in, Plutarch recommends taking a subtle approach to saying no.<\/p>\n<p>Instead offering a direct, terse no that may ruffle their feathers, try:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Appealing to their sense of excellence and artistry.<\/li>\n<li>Making it about living up to their high standards.<\/li>\n<li>Turning their pride into your ally.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>If a prestigious client is pushing you to cut corners on a project, frame your no in terms of maintaining the exceptional quality they&#8217;re known for. &#8220;I know you&#8217;ve built your reputation on outstanding work. That&#8217;s why I can&#8217;t in good conscience rush this crucial phase.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Regular Folks<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>With people who don&#8217;t hold power over you but make requests to which you don\u2019t want to acquiesce, Plutarch suggests using humor to tactfully decline.<\/p>\n<p>So if a well-meaning, clueless person asks you to join their MLM, say something like, \u201cThanks for the invite, but I still have protein powder in my garage from the last multi-level marketing business I joined. Have to park the car in the driveway! Ha!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If you can\u2019t inject humor, Plutarch thinks giving a straightforward no is completely fine:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>I don&#8217;t lend out my tools anymore.<\/li>\n<li>I\u2019m unavailable that evening to help.<\/li>\n<li>My policy is to only offer those opportunities to grad students.<\/li>\n<li>I don\u2019t do morning meetings; that\u2019s my focused work period.<\/li>\n<li>That&#8217;s not possible.<\/li>\n<li>No, but thanks for thinking of me.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>The Shameless Ones<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>These guys are the professional boundary-pushers who treat &#8220;no&#8221; as the opening bid in a negotiation. You know who I&#8217;m talking about \u2014 the people who just. won&#8217;t. quit.<\/p>\n<p>For these people, Plutarch recommends fighting fire with fire.. When someone&#8217;s being shameless in their demands, you have permission to be equally shameless in your refusal. Tell them to pound sand. Kick rocks. Jump in a lake. Sit on it.<\/p>\n<p>As Plutarch says: \u201cA handy arm with knaves is knavery.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I found this bit of advice particularly helpful for some reason. If people can be bold with their asks, then I can be just as bold with my nos.<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"h.rb0jtracwlzs\"><u>The Buck Stops Here<\/u><\/h2>\n<p>For Plutarch, learning to say no isn&#8217;t just about being assertive \u2014 it&#8217;s about being true to your <em>telos&nbsp;<\/em>in life.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The goal isn&#8217;t to become cold or unhelpful, but to find a balance between kindness and self-respect. As Plutarch puts it, we need &#8220;a harmonious blend&#8221; of courtesy and firmness. The above advice can help nudge you more toward the self-respect side of the spectrum if you\u2019ve had a problem with people-pleasing your entire life.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Go Deeper<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve put out lots of podcasts and articles over the years on how to overcome people-pleasing and say no. Check out these AoM classics to go deeper into this subject:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/people\/social-skills\/how-to-firmly-say-no-without-coming-off-like-a-jerk\/\">How to Firmly Say No Without Coming Off Like a Jerk<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/people\/social-skills\/podcast-915-finally-learn-to-say-no\/\">Podcast #915: Finally Learn to Say No<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/people\/social-skills\/a-better-way-to-say-no\/\">A Better Way to Say No<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/people\/social-skills\/how-to-be-assertive\/\">Quit Being a Pushover: How to Be Assertive<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/people\/social-skills\/stop-being-a-pushover\/\">Podcast #407: How to Stop Being a Nice Guy<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ever feel like you can\u2019t say no? 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